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Topic: Anyone in here using a Desert Rose Delta Blues model?? |
Dustin Rhodes
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Owasso OK
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Posted 8 Apr 2009 10:30 am |
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I'm having trouble finding info on them. How does the second pickup sound? Does the normal (bridge) pickup have the classic sound?
Also what is the set up on those? |
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Stu Schulman
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Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 8 Apr 2009 10:51 am
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Dustin,Dan Tyack has one...It's a sweet guitar,I'm pretty sure that the bridge pick-up is normal sounding? whatever normal is.There is some sort of blend control pot Dan can tell you all about it,That's his guitar on the D.R. website.Stu
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Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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Dustin Rhodes
From:
Owasso OK
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Posted 8 Apr 2009 11:00 am
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| Stu Schulman wrote: |
| whatever normal is. |
I was just looking for something that would be good for that classic country sound plus have a little more versatility for blues and rock sounding stuff. |
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 8 Apr 2009 2:25 pm
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Dustin,My Desert Rose is almost the same guitar that Dan has except mine has an aluminum neck it sounds great for classic country stuff which I play a lot of,The second pickup on Dan's guitar is closer to the middle of the guitar and has that nasal tone of a Gibson SG on the neck pickup...Humbucker,and then you can blend those two and get a whole bunch of other tones.I really like where Chuck placed the second pickup it's not in the way of the picking hand.You should be able to get just about anything out of it.Stu
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Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Dustin Rhodes
From:
Owasso OK
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Posted 9 Apr 2009 5:57 am
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I just ordered a new Desert Rose.  |
Good for you man. It'll be a while before I can get ahold of one. Maybe if I find something used instead the wife will let me splurge. |
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Duncan Hodge
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DeLand, FL USA
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Posted 9 Apr 2009 1:55 pm
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Just because I'm a curious human being b0b, and as a great admirer of Chuck's work, what kind of Desert Rose did you get? If I can ever save enough money, I'm gonna ask Chuck to build one just like Stu's green/blonde beauty.
Duncan
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Gary Steele
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 10 Apr 2009 9:27 pm Desert Rose
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I have a new two tone blue Desert Rose coming. Should be a beauty. Chuck had the best tone at Dallas this year on Saturday night. He was playing thru a Nashville 112 with reverb and a mic on it. Where can you buy an all wood LAQUER Sd-10 for
$ 2395.00 Everyone should order one for that. Hopefully i'll get it around the end of April.
This will be my first steel guitar,
(THIS YEAR) LOL
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 8:00 am
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| Duncan Hodge wrote: |
| Just because I'm a curious human being b0b, and as a great admirer of Chuck's work, what kind of Desert Rose did you get? |
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.  |
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 9:31 am
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I died on stage last night! 
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Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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David Mason
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Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 12:03 pm
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| Is that changer sort of Williams-esque, with a reduced string angle? They snuck this one by me, darn. [insert emoticon for old fogeyness....] |
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 12:46 pm
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David,No it seems to be a normal angle,Stu
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Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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Stu Schulman
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Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 1:22 pm
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David,This might help,Stu
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Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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Jack Francis
From:
Queen Creek, Arizona, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 7:17 pm
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b0b...I know that you'll love your new Desert Rose...Chuck builds an AWESOME guitar!! 
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DESERT ROSE D-10 8/5...Joe Naylor "SteelSeat"...
Gallien-Krueger MB200 amplifier through an Alessis MicroVerb w/15'Peavey cab.
TELES & STRATS...
FENDER TWIN & SEYMOUR DUNCAN 50W tube amps...1-12" 2-12" & 4-12" cabs and a FENDER MUSTANG-3 |
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Matthew Carlin
From:
Lake County, IL.
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Posted 13 Apr 2009 8:25 am
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Stu, I love that Mica ... is that factory?? Very CoOL .
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Jon Hyde
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Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Apr 2009 10:59 am
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| I can say I've had the pleasure of hearing and playing Dan Tyack's guitar. Mostly hearing. He's got a tonealigner pickup in the neck position and an old BL705 in the bridge pickup. He gets a really fat and a cool sound out of it. Nice classic clean tones but also some really killing distorted tones. Doesn't hurt that he really knows what he's doing!! |
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 13 Apr 2009 11:21 am
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Hi Matthew,It's Wilson Art "Retro Mint"I'm not sure if it's still in production? I might be the only person who bought some?The Cheddar Curtain?That's great,Stu
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Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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Dustin Rhodes
From:
Owasso OK
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Posted 14 Apr 2009 6:50 am
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| Jon Hyde wrote: |
| I can say I've had the pleasure of hearing and playing Dan Tyack's guitar. Mostly hearing. He's got a tonealigner pickup in the neck position and an old BL705 in the bridge pickup. He gets a really fat and a cool sound out of it. Nice classic clean tones but also some really killing distorted tones. Doesn't hurt that he really knows what he's doing!! |
What would be the difference in those 2 pickups? |
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Dan Tyack
From:
Olympia, WA USA
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Posted 15 Apr 2009 12:19 pm
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I'll chime in here....
This guitar is totally killer, and the dual pickups turned out better than I had anticipated. The whole thing is a result of doing some gigs (and sharing the stage) with Derek Trucks. I was playing my Franklin and English Electronics lap steel (long scale Valco), two of the best steel guitars that I have ever heard. Yet Derek's tone was kicking my rear when heard side by side. Of course, much of that is in his hands, but there was a timbre in his sound that I couldn't approach with either of my steels. Derek volunteered that he spends most of the time just playing the neck pickup. A lightbulb went off.
My first experiment was to add a gibson PAF style humbucker in the 'neck' position to my lap steel. This added a completely new tonal dimension, and enabled me to get a lot closer to that 'Trucks tone' when using the humbucker.
I worked with Chuck to develop this guitar (he had to redo the shape of the neck). The 'regular' pickup is a Bill Lawrence 705, which, while it's a humbucker, has a little more of the sound of a hot single coil like a P-90. The neck pickup is a Tonealigner. In this position, with the pole pieces adjusted on the 'hot' side, it sounds really close to a Gibson Humbucker.
This guitar has a huge range of tones available, but I find myself mostly using the setting that's a mix of both pickups together (in phase). I use the bridge pickup a little bit (mostly for rock and roll) and the neck pickup by itself a little more (for blues or jazz), but the mix of pickups has a great sound for both country and rock and roll. For the former it kind of sounds like an old Sho Bud, for the latter like a fat strat.
I'll post some samples. |
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Ulf Edlund
From:
UmeΓ₯, Sweden
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Posted 15 Apr 2009 1:01 pm
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| Dustin Rhodes wrote: |
What would be the difference in those 2 pickups? |
I just checked their website and the pictured guitar has what looks like a BL705 in bridge position and a Truetone or similar in neck position.
Apart from that the big difference is their positions.
Just like on any electric guitar the tone from a p-up gets more mellow further away from the bridge. Usually the bridge p-up is hotter wound than the neck p-up to compensate for the difference in string movement. (less movement close to the bridge)
If you phase invert one of them you will get a hollow sound when playing through both pickups.
I would assume it's the same with the Desert Rose.
Just my guess though.
Fine looking steels by the way.
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Ulf Edlund
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UmeΓ₯, Sweden
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Posted 15 Apr 2009 1:03 pm
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Oh... I totally missed Dan's post above 
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Dustin Rhodes
From:
Owasso OK
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Posted 18 Apr 2009 6:39 pm
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| Thanks alot for the replies and answers. |
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Rick Winfield
From:
Pickin' beneath the Palmettos
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Posted 21 Apr 2009 6:49 am revelation
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Still a "newbie" after almost 2 years, and constantly looking for something different !
Any revelations to be shared on the copedant of this 5x5 beauty ?
Rick |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Duncan Hodge
From:
DeLand, FL USA
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Posted 21 Apr 2009 10:43 am
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I'm still keeping mum, except for my admiration about DR steels. About them I'm more than a little positive.
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