Steel jobs on NY & DC craigslist

Ron Whitfield · Post by **Ron Whitfield** » 16 Sep 2008 12:43 pm

http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/muc/842315456.html
http://albany.craigslist.org/muc/833132415.html
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/ ... 73312.html

bOb, please move this to 'Jobs'.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 16 Sep 2008 2:30 pm

What's he mean by, "no hired guns."?

Steve Morley · Post by **Steve Morley** » 16 Sep 2008 2:42 pm

Ron,

A similar phrase was used in CT a while back, and what that advertiser wanted was someone dedicated to their band; not pre-empting participation in travel and gigs because of other commitments.

Jon Light · Post by **Jon Light** » 16 Sep 2008 2:50 pm

Common terminology. Simply---looking for someone for the long haul, to share the expenses and to spend time growing with the band as opposed to a pick-up pro. Some people regard 'hired guns' as a negative thing which is immature and basically stupid. Some people regard 'no hired guns' as a negative too. There's a place and a need for both and there's nothing wrong with stating what you need. I've seen the stupidest Craigslist arguments on this subject.

Post by **Joey Ace** » 16 Sep 2008 3:38 pm

The term "Jobber" is used in the same way.

I've seen too many startup projects that want 100% commitment, but have no gigs lined up.

They'll eventually learn what reality is about.

I've recently seen an ad from someone that insisted on "no side projects", but checking his MySpace showed he was involved in several.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 16 Sep 2008 5:07 pm

I agree with Joey - my years in L.A. were spent almost entirely as a hired gun because everybody wanted commitment without anything to offer in return.