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Brian LeBlanc
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Falls Church, Virginia, USA
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Posted 15 Sep 2008 5:38 pm |
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I've got a clean 72ish Princeton
non verb
Stock speaker needs to go...
FIXED BAFFLE
think its worth the effort to cut the baffle for a 12?
use for low-low volume steel & mid vol guitar
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Marc Jenkins
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Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 15 Sep 2008 5:40 pm
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| It might be worth the effort, but it certainly won't be worth devaluing your vintage amp... Maybe cut a separate baffle? |
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David Doggett
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Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 15 Sep 2008 6:58 pm
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| I have a Princeton Reverb that I occasionally use to play pedal steel in acoustic jams. There is no PA, it's completely acoustic. I find the 10" speaker (stock Jensen I think) to be a little shrill for pedal steel (I have the same problem with the 10s in a Vibrolux). The lows are okay, but the highs are too thin and piercing - great for a tele, just not for steel for me. I have run the speaker lead into other speaker cabs I have with 12s and 15s. It sounds fantastic - nice fat highs and great warm mids. So someday I plan to put a 12 in it. My first choice will be the new Weber neo, which supposedly sounds like a JBL or better. Keeping the weight down will also be a plus. |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 15 Sep 2008 9:16 pm
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| FIXED BAFFLE ... think its worth the effort to cut the baffle for a 12? |
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| It might be worth the effort, but it certainly won't be worth devaluing your vintage amp... Maybe cut a separate baffle? |
If the baffle is truly fixed and not removable, then in order to properly put a 12" in there, one must either enlarge the baffle cutout or cut the whole baffle out to put a new one in.
I wouldn't do that to a vintage Princeton if it's in nice shape. Instead, I'd trade it off for an earlier one with a removable baffle, and then make a new baffle, storing the original with original speaker away for safe keeping. Or put a real honkin' 10" speaker in there. I think Weber has some pretty serious speakers for this purpose. Sometimes - rarely - I see old EV, Altec, or JBL 10" speakers. I had a JBL K-series in an old Princeton, man it sounded good. What was I thinking when I sold it, oh, probably 10 years ago? |
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Brad Sarno
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St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2008 4:47 am
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I wouldn't mess with that baffle hole. I'd instead find a killer 10" speaker for it. Look for a JBL D110 or K110. What I find with the Princeton is that a 10" is actually a fuller, bigger sound since the dimensions of that cabinet are mathematically designed for a 10". A 12" hole may offer a bunch of cool options as there are so many cool 12" speakers, but you will lose some low end fullness as you gain mids. I've got a '68 Princeton Reverb and it's a very full sounding amp with the 10" in it. A JBL D110 or K110 will make the amp very loud and clean sounding, and quite steel guitar friendly.
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Brian LeBlanc
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Falls Church, Virginia, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2008 7:30 am worth it?
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sounds like NOT worth it...
so I'm look'n for A JBL
Whats the diff b-tween a K & D ?
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Michael Brebes
From:
Northridge CA
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Posted 16 Sep 2008 7:45 am
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I really like the Celestion Vintage 30 in my Deluxe, which uses the same circuit as the Princeton. You might want to consider the Celestion G10-Vintage, which has similar voicing to the Vintage 30. Very smooth response.
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Michael Brebes
Instrument/amp/ pickup repair
MSA D10 Classic/Rickenbacher B6/
Dickerson MOTS/Dobro D32 Hawaiian/
Goldtone Paul Beard Reso
Mesa Boogie Studio Pre/Hafler 3000
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Marc Jenkins
From:
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Mitch Adelman
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2008 8:05 am
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| I agree with mark on the Webers. What a difference! Check out the 10F150T (a bit brighter) ceramic, slight doping and your Princeton (and Vibrolux and Super reverb)will sound amazing with more headroom and sparkle!My favorite 10 inch speaker. |
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Tim Whitlock
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2008 8:22 am
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Another vote for Weber. His 10" Signature alnico is a great value at $40. I put one in my 64 non-verb Princeton with great results. I think JBL or Weber Neo would be a great choice also.
I considered cutting a new baffle for my Princeton, but decided against it for all the reasons listed here by the other posters. You can always use your Princeton to drive a separate cabinet. |
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Brian LeBlanc
From:
Falls Church, Virginia, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2008 8:47 am easily confused!
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Speakers baffle me...
How does Neo comp to Cali ?
.. & the 150...
going from $40 to $160...
$40 sounds tooo low, steel "clean"?
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 17 Sep 2008 5:19 am
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| $40 sounds tooo low, steel "clean"? |
People are recommending all kinds of speakers without having any idea what you're doing, Brian. It's been the same with other threads - you post sparse info and want recommendations...that makes it almost impossible to respond intelligently.
WHAT are you playing through the Princeton (guitar effects, etc)? How loud? Where (home, small clubs, large halls, outdoors)? What style (country, country rock, thrash metal, polka)?
It'd really help *you* if you'd post enough details that people would know why they are recommending something. There are huge differences between a Jensen, a specific JBL model, a specific Weber model, etc...each will work, but not all will be right for what YOU play.
All I can recommend is NOT changing or cutting the baffle in a fixed-baffle vintage Fender. That, IMO, is dumb. But I can't recommend any speakers because I still don't know what you want 'em for. I also don't know if THIS amp has ever had any service done - if not, you're wasting money on speakers until the amp is in shape.
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 17 Sep 2008 9:22 am
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I was sorta' going by this
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| use for low-low volume steel & mid vol guitar |
plus the fact that he's not happy with the original speaker and wants to replace it with a 12". The minute he said "steel", knowing that he plays pedal steel, and having some experience with these - I assumed he wanted more headroom.
But I do agree with Jim that you tend to get better info if you specify very clearly and precisely what you're looking for. I also agree that it's critical to have a tech check it out electronically, if you haven't already - especially electrolytic capacitors.
BTW - I just noticed this:
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| I've got a clean 72ish Princeton ... FIXED BAFFLE |
That doesn't sound right. All the 72 or so Princetons I've had were removable baffle. I don't think fixed baffles came along until later - I think '76 or so. Maybe a pull-boost pot? Just my recollection, might wanna' take a look at the Fender Amp Field Guide: http://www.ampwares.com/ffg/ |
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Brian LeBlanc
From:
Falls Church, Virginia, USA
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Posted 17 Sep 2008 10:02 am too much !
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- not definate on the 72
- but I heard they went to glue in 72, not later
- I'm trying to get Idea on how the speakers compare
- Jim's got a ton of free time
but if ya don't like my posts don't respond to them
how about that
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Ken Fox
From:
Nashville GA USA
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Posted 17 Sep 2008 5:56 pm
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J.D. Newell, in Atlanta makes some fine cabs. I bet he could make you one for around 200.00 to do just what you want. he has build a couple of cabs for me and they were excellent and his turn around time was great. Way better than the 30 day minimum at Mojotone!!
On eBay he has a Princeton Reverb cab with a 1-15" baffle for $199.00. You cab would be a bit smaller.
ebay.com/1X15-PINE-COMBO-CABINET-F-PRINCETON-REVERB-AMP-CHASSIS |
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Marc Jenkins
From:
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2008 6:09 am
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Brain, just trying to help - and it's easier when you're specific with your questions.
And I *don't* have a ton of free time..I just happen to type fast...
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Eric Philippsen
From:
Central Florida USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2008 11:36 am
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I have a 67 Princeton Reverb. I made a new baffle board for it and put a JBL D120 in it. (Of course, I still have the original baffle). It sounds killer.
If you decide to put a 12" speaker in be sure and OFFSET the hole. It can't be centered on the baffle because the speaker will not fit due to chassis components. One look and you'll see what I'm talking about. |
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Brian LeBlanc
From:
Falls Church, Virginia, USA
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Posted 20 Sep 2008 8:22 am Clean & Efficient
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- Well, I went to the beach (out of loop)
- Not looking for new cab, too much stuff piling up
- looking for Clean/efficient speaker for low vol steel & guitar
- ie, up the clean volume as much as possible
- ie, trad country/blues/roots
- when I can get away with less then a Deluxe
- looks like they went to glue about 72 (?) for P-ton
- I have hard time thinking of Silver face as Vintage! (so was considering jigsaw on the baffle)
- sounds like a 10"Neo is way to go (JBL ish)...
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Olli Haavisto
From:
Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Posted 21 Sep 2008 10:54 am
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The new Jensen Neo 10 has been good to me in my mid 70`s Princeton Rev. Loud and clean, with a solid low/low midrange and non-piercing highs. Not expensive.
Of course it`s a Jensen in name only but it sounds really good. BTW, it weights only 4 lbs.
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Olli Haavisto
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 21 Sep 2008 3:08 pm
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Guess I've committed a cardinal sin! But it's a great giggin' amp. 12" Celestion, Stokes mod, so it's 20 watts. Allen PT, Doc Z OT. It has great reverb, great trem, and you can put it on the passenger side floor in a pickup truck.
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Gibson Hartwell
From:
Missoula, Montana, USA
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Posted 23 Sep 2008 3:40 pm
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| I'm with Brad on this. I have used a friends blackface Princeton a number of times for radio stuff. It has the JBL D110 and sounds great with steel. |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 23 Sep 2008 8:01 pm
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My 70's silverface Princeton has a 10" "fender musical instrument special design" speaker in it.
It sounds ok but I think could be quite a bit better.
For more headroom and better low mids would the D110 or the Weber equivalent be worth checking out ?
I have been playing through this little guy:
http://www.headstrongamps.com/Page9.html
At a rehearsal studio in NYC and it is blowing me away. Really great little amp.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 24 Sep 2008 1:17 am
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For more headroom, do the Stokes mod. It's easy and cheap for a tech to do. It's a simple power supply mod that will boost your amp from it's 10/11 watts up to 18/20 watts. Here's an interesting discussion about Princeton mods:
http://music-electronics-forum.com/showthread.php?t=6081 |
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Gibson Hartwell
From:
Missoula, Montana, USA
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Posted 24 Sep 2008 5:22 am Weber speaker
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| Hey Bob, Which Weber speaker is in that Headstrong Princeton replica? |
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