Any Steeler's with a Concealed Handgun License??

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 18 Jun 2008 10:17 am

the person who carries the gun for protection can easily become the person who becomes the aggressor

as easy as the person without a gun can become a victom in the same scenario...

A knife is a tool that can be used as a weapon, whereas a gun is ONLY a weapon

I think a hunter will aproach his gun as a tool first, same with a competition shooter or a police officer, and "weapon" can be anything and it doesn`t apply to the handguns and guns only, hammer used in a homocide is a "weapon" , even a snicker used in the attack in the last case in "Gina 6" was classified as a "weapon", anything you use to cause a bodily harm to somewone will be ,by police, categorized as a "deadly weapon"...

by the way, Chicago has a total gun restriction where is impossible for a regular citizen to carry a gun, and at the same time Chicago has the worst crime rate in the country.....

Db

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 18 Jun 2008 10:24 am

Twayn, a drawn KNIFE is and is considered to be a threat of life. You are carrying a concealed weapon. Sure, it's a knife and legal, but a weapon just the same.

While it is certainly feasible that folks who carry concealed can also commit a crime of passion, when we read or hear news of shooting incidents, we hardly ever , if at all, hear that a person carrying concealed with a permit, gunned down inocent victims or instigated the crime. Actually it's more common to hear that the incidents took place in area's or places where handguns were outlawed and licensed owners did NOT carry in that location because it is indeed a felony to do so. We constantly hear in the News stories that the criminal had an illegal handgun.

I believe this subject is easily taken out of the concealed carry permit discussion to a different discussion of some folks who do abuse handguns, make that all guns. So far there are no overwhelming statistics that state that legally licensed gun owners are committing vicious crimes against unknowing citizens. There are no stats stating that folks who are carrying concealed are walking into 7/11's and decide at the spur of the moment to perpetrate a crime, because they have a gun.

The discussion of musicians carrying concealed is not the same discussion as some poor soul coming home from work having his wife shoot him as he comes thru the door. A piece of paper ( permit) is not going to prevent that one way or the other.

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 18 Jun 2008 10:29 am

Sure, it's a knife and legal

only if it has a blade lenght of 4 inches or less...

it's more common to hear that the incidents took place in area's or places where handguns were outlawed and licensed owners did NOT carry in that location

that`s why we have mass shootings in restorant`s, mall`s or schools, because those criminals know that in those placese they don`t face a danger of being shot dead by a HCP holder...

Db

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 18 Jun 2008 10:32 am

NC has no knife "length" law, we talked about this in our class last weekend. You can buy a BIG Hunting knife at Wallmart !

You're a very wise man DB..

tp

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 18 Jun 2008 10:33 am

ok, ussualy they specifie the lenght, NC must be different then...but same difference, to me the knife is as deadly weapon as a gun, no difference...

Db

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 18 Jun 2008 10:36 am

TP, thank you, I`m honored to hear something like that from a person like you Sir...

Db

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 18 Jun 2008 10:37 am

A knife is an equal threat against life if someone has made the decision to use one . Yes DB, same thing.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 18 Jun 2008 10:40 am

OK DB, kool, a few months back you posted a few photo's of some fine pieces..I knew you rocked right there and then ! I knew that if I ever grew up I wanted to be just like you !

tp

Twayn Williams · Post by **Twayn Williams** » 18 Jun 2008 11:06 am

Tony Prior wrote:Twayn, a drawn KNIFE is and is considered to be a threat of life. You are carrying a concealed weapon. Sure, it's a knife and legal, but a weapon just the same.

I didn't say otherwise. Yes, if you draw a knife on someone it's assault with a deadly weapon. But if you draw a knife on an apple it's a tool. The same just can't be said about a gun. (Now I've got visions in my head of people trying to peel apples with .357's )

Tony Prior wrote:The discussion of musicians carrying concealed is not the same discussion as some poor soul coming home from work having his wife shoot him as he comes thru the door.
When that disturbed soul could be the same person, yes, I think it is germane to the discussion. That's the whole point. Good lord, musicians can be some of the most disturbed people around!

John Drury · Post by **John Drury** » 18 Jun 2008 11:32 am

Hey Mikey,

That gal on page 6, I think I know her!

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 18 Jun 2008 11:36 am

Twayne, this is a topic for people who have HCP, so since you don`t have one and obviosly hate guns, maybe ,and just maybe, this is not a topic for you...

Db

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 18 Jun 2008 12:12 pm

Twayne, I agree that if you are deranged there is a problem, and if you come home from work and get shot by your wife a permit is generally not needed !

NC permit application requires allowing the State access to medical records, I don't know if that is the same all over, but it is a requirement here. I guess if you tell them you are crazy they need to verify it !

There is no doubt that in some cases wacko's will indeed cause an issue but like I stated earlier, the crime stats to date don't point to folks carrying handguns with permits. Our nation is NOT going to go backwards and retract over 200 years of Constitution, we need to go forward. Removing handguns from the folks who are not known to cause crimes is not going forward, it's a band aid to the problem. IF our courts enforced the laws and had stiffer laws with mandatory penalties we would see a decline. You see, I too am sick and tired of some armed thug getting off with a slap because his daddy didn't buy him a Gameboy when he was 12.

Enforce the laws, make them stiffer, have mandatory sentences. The word will get out fast. A society is only as good as the laws that are enforced.

Think about it, I am not a criminal and have no intent to be, I do have a few handguns for the sole purpose of sport and self defense should that ever be necessary. Why are people mad at me ? Why does Rosie O'Donnell want MY gun taken away from me ?

makes no sense.

I have a Z06 Corvette in my garage, it will cruise at 175, why don't they take it away from me, the highest speed limit around here is 70. The very thought of me driving REAL fast should be enough for society to remove this kool machine from my grasp.

Michael Douchette · Post by **Michael Douchette** » 18 Jun 2008 12:19 pm

John Drury wrote:Hey Mikey,

That gal on page 6, I think I know her!

GOT A PHONE NUMBER?? She can meet us over at GGC...

Twayn Williams · Post by **Twayn Williams** » 18 Jun 2008 12:25 pm

Michael Douchette wrote:
John Drury wrote:Hey Mikey,

That gal on page 6, I think I know her!
GOT A PHONE NUMBER?? She can meet us over at GGC...

Hey, let me in on some of that action

Twayn Williams · Post by **Twayn Williams** » 18 Jun 2008 12:37 pm

Tony Prior wrote:NC permit application requires allowing the State access to medical records, I don't know if that is the same all over, but it is a requirement here. I guess if you tell them you are crazy they need to verify it !

You must have more faith in the competence of government than I do

I agree with your call for stiffer penalties. However, the idea that only criminals or the crazy use guns on other people is of course unrealistic. I'm kinda reminded of that old Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Give Me 3 Steps"

Archie Nicol · Post by **Archie Nicol** » 18 Jun 2008 2:06 pm

Damir, old buddy; You should get your rear over to the other place(Off Topic). It's fun and gun at the same time.

Arch.

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 18 Jun 2008 3:04 pm

Archie Nicol wrote:Damir, old buddy; You should get your rear over to the other place(Off Topic). It's fun and gun at the same time.

Arch.

never been to Scotland, would love to go..Scotland and Ireland are places I would love to visit

Db

John Drury · Post by **John Drury** » 18 Jun 2008 7:13 pm

That was supposed to be a joke guys!

What is GGC?

Michael Douchette · Post by **Michael Douchette** » 18 Jun 2008 8:20 pm

Gallatin Gun Club...

http://gallatingun.com/

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 18 Jun 2008 8:33 pm

The biggest difference between a gun and a knife is: The gun makes more noise! Therefore, I think a knife is more dangerous! I once knew a Secret-Service Agent who was never afraid of any gun, but; he was really concerned when it came to knives!

John Drury · Post by **John Drury** » 19 Jun 2008 11:54 am

Mikey,

Thanks for the link, all the years I've lived in Gallatin I didn't know there was a gun club and range, I have been going up to greenbrier to shoot.

I'll have to see about joining.

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 19 Jun 2008 12:03 pm

Hey, John D.; I've belonged to the Owl Hollow Gun Club for 10-years now! It's located in the Spring Hill/Thompson Station area. It's a covered outdoor range for handgun and long gun (25’ to 300-yds.) and the cost for membership is under $50 per yr., so far! It's about 35-mi. from Nashville and out in the country. email me for more details, if you wish.
John B.
PSGPlayer@webtv.net

Archie Nicol · Post by **Archie Nicol** » 19 Jun 2008 2:16 pm

I don't think anybody has ever been stabbed from ten yards away.

Arch.

Jody Sanders · Post by **Jody Sanders** » 19 Jun 2008 2:24 pm

Mikey, I think I recognize those cheeks. Jody.

Michael Douchette · Post by **Michael Douchette** » 19 Jun 2008 2:28 pm

Archie Nicol wrote:I don't think anybody has ever been stabbed from ten yards away.

Arch.

That's why anyone that's had training will tell you a knife is far more dangerous than a gun. Most likely, the BG won't have much practice time in, and he/she will miss with a gun. The up close and personal nature of the knife make it far more lethal.

Oh... Jody, DO tell... !