Garcia and the New Riders.. cool clip!!!

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 16 May 2008 3:49 pm

from youtube.. stumbled across this and LOVED it.. Very rare stuff.. Garcia noodling around on his steel and then some impromptu jamming starts up with the rest of the New Riders,,, very cool and probably quite rare glimpse of Jerry in his steel guitar heyday... bob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbwxD5sVSRY

Archie Nicol R.I.P. · Post by **Archie Nicol R.I.P.** » 16 May 2008 4:07 pm

...and so it goes on.

Arch.

Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 16 May 2008 4:16 pm

Thanks for posting Bob - very cool!

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 16 May 2008 4:20 pm

And may the naysayers take note---Jerry WAS tuning during this video! Thanks, Bob.

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 16 May 2008 4:54 pm

Archie Nicol wrote:...and so it goes on.

Arch.

Sorry you disapporove Arch, but the man was a giant influence on me and my playing, and for many others here as well .... There are many nice folks here that would appreciate this clip as I do so I posted it... If its not your bag, fine, just let it pass by.. Thats what I do... bob

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 16 May 2008 5:50 pm

I don't think it's so much that Arch is anti-Jerry, rather that he has a premonintion of the pro/anti Jerry war that will usually follows a Garcia related steel post.

Those clips are cool, I think they're from the Last Days Of The Filmore film from '72, filmed in 1971.

Mickey Adams · Post by **Mickey Adams** » 16 May 2008 6:27 pm

Jerry really was beginning to make real progress before he dropped the steel...The first diabetic episode had a really harsh effect on his cognitive skills however. In 72, about the time of this video, IMHO Jerry had reached the apogee of his abilities....He sure did play some great stuff...I listened to him for years, still do. RIP Jerry...

Steve English · Post by **Steve English** » 16 May 2008 6:39 pm

Very cool clip. And he's playing an Emmons.

Is that Buddy Cage taking a mic off the stand? Kinda looks like him.

Thanks Bob!

Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 16 May 2008 6:39 pm

Oddy! Where'd you wander in from? Good to see you here.

I agree - I think Arch was just posting an anticipation of one of those things that HOPEFULLY is mellowing out by now. There are still few hardcore folks who don't think Jerry or other "outsider" or "famous but not great" players belong in discussion here...but like others, my first exposure to steel was Jerry, Sneaky, Buddy (Cage) and Red. Heck, I didn't know a fuzz or a wacky homebrewed steel with all sorts of gadgetry wasn't *required* to play steel for years.

It's all good. We all have our own tastes...otherwise it'd be pretty boring. Heck (not to ruin my image or anything) but I'm even trying to figure out a little "normal" sounding country on my guitar-range, no-chromatic B6 copedent.

That's a great clip, both as steel "noodling" and as a historical piece.

Jack Stanton · Post by **Jack Stanton** » 16 May 2008 7:24 pm

Proof positive that a push pull can make ANYBODY sound better!

Actually, the first few licks sound like he was copping Tom Brumley's "Applejack".

Good stuff!
Thanks Bob!

Fish · Post by **Fish** » 16 May 2008 8:33 pm

Cool....

Mike Poholsky · Post by **Mike Poholsky** » 16 May 2008 9:55 pm

Thanks Bob, did my heart good! Another innovator of the instrument. IMO I am sure Jerrys musicianship influenced many people. You can put me high on the list. LOL! One of the first guys I ever saw play a pedal steel. It was probably somewhere around that time. If it wasn't for Jerry, I may not have found out about all the steel music and players I enjoy today. I am Greatful!

Joel Martin · Post by **Joel Martin** » 16 May 2008 11:46 pm

Thanks Bob! that footage is really something special. I love watching him do anything from this era - i think mickey summed it up really well about him peaking about this time. he was such a journeyman of traditional expression and i think its really exciting how he would form projects to use as a vehicles for him to experiment in - steel with the new riders, banjo with old and in the way (which he kills on).

best
joel

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 17 May 2008 2:16 am

yeah,what the heck was he doing with an Emmons???.
also, Buddy Cage was with the NRPS by the time this was made I think.. and Buddy always played an Emmons.. hmmm... I wonder if this was early on in the "Cage era" NRPS... man, I can't get enough of this hippy stuff... btw,Sorry for getting a bit testy with Archie...

I just always liked JG, and feel he isn't given a fair break as a steel player by many steel players....His discography on steel is mightily impressive, and thats with A list artists of that era, so there are MANY that would disagree with the nay sayers assesment of Jerrys steel skills... anyway, it was a cool clip amd I am glad I stumbled across it... RIP Jerry... bob

Archie Nicol R.I.P. · Post by **Archie Nicol R.I.P.** » 17 May 2008 3:40 am

Hi, Bob. I don't disapprove, in fact I enjoyed the clip. I was just sitting back and waiting for the usual Jerry-bashing to start.

Cheers,
Arch.

Bob Blair · Post by **Bob Blair** » 17 May 2008 6:23 am

Thanks, Bob, that was fun.

Mike Poholsky · Post by **Mike Poholsky** » 17 May 2008 6:57 am

I think every time I saw Jerry play steel it was an Emmons. At one point, when I was much younger and broke, Scotty had one of Jerrys steels for sale at the store. It was a Emmons D10, might have been under $1000. Thinking about that lost opportunity still bums me out.

Jim Peters · Post by **Jim Peters** » 17 May 2008 7:35 am

Serious question... Was JG Day or Emmons, I thought Cage was Day, precluding JG's using Cage's guitar unless he was Day also. Not trying to be trivial, JP.

John Drury · Post by **John Drury** » 17 May 2008 7:51 am

Bob,

Thanks for posting, Jerry was a really interesting guy, I like his style of playing on most instruments he played.

I don't imagine many of the players that belittle Jerry bagged anywhere near the cash he did from his fans of wich I am one.

Not all great players are artists. Jerry wasn't all that great of a player but he was a magnificent artist.

Steve,

I believe that is Cage.

Rick Abbott · Post by **Rick Abbott** » 17 May 2008 8:18 am

I checked it out, gotta love NRPS!! Hey, I checked out the NRPS video of Hello Mary Lou that was linked to the one Bob posted, Buddy Cage played some very cool licks on that one. Without hijacking this thread, can anyone turn me on to how to play those kind of licks?

Thanks for putting this up Bob!!

Joe Buczek · Post by **Joe Buczek** » 17 May 2008 8:25 am

Bob Carlucci wrote:His discography on steel is mightily impressive, and thats with A list artists of that era

Bob, can you post a list or URL for Jerry's steel discography? I would love to check that out.

Thanks!

Jack Dougherty · Post by **Jack Dougherty** » 17 May 2008 8:35 am

THIS IS NOT A SLAM!!!!.....

I was there....So to keep things in perspective...

Remember....chemistry was at its apex at that time.
So if you saw a man blowing air through a pumkin....
one would most likely buy the album...

PEACE AND LOVE MAN

And yes...JG and the Dead were fun to listen to in the right state of mind.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 17 May 2008 11:15 am

i would think this clip would put to rest the question of 'is it the guitar or the hands that create tone!'

to me, jerry sounds very similar on this guitar to other brands he's played...and i don't hear any similarity to buddy emmons' tone.
i'm not knocking jerry, i'm knocking those who think the instrument is more important than the talent.

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 17 May 2008 12:02 pm

Joe Buczek wrote:
Bob Carlucci wrote:His discography on steel is mightily impressive, and thats with A list artists of that era
Bob, can you post a list or URL for Jerry's steel discography? I would love to check that out.

Thanks!

Joe.. Can't find anything with just his steel sessions.. They just show his overall discography.. I know for a fact he played steel on Brewer and Shiplys Tarkio album, which had One Toke Over the Line on it, He played some truly lovely and inspired steel on Change Partners by Steve Stills ..CSNY Teach Your Children of course,.. I think he played some steel on one or two of Brombergs albums, I know he did some steel work with Bob Dylan in the 80's and I am sure there are many more examples.. I seem to recall at one time someone posted a pretty in depth list of his steel sessions on this forum , and it was very impressive.. Hopefully someone will do just that again...bob

Steve Hitsman · Post by **Steve Hitsman** » 17 May 2008 2:56 pm

Mike Poholsky wrote:I think every time I saw Jerry play steel it was an Emmons. At one point, when I was much younger and broke, Scotty had one of Jerrys steels for sale at the store. It was a Emmons D10, might have been under $1000. Thinking about that lost opportunity still bums me out.

Mike,

Scotty offered that guitar to me, too, but because of Curly Chalker, I had my heart set on a new MSA.