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Topic: Simple song with a 6 minor? |
John McClung
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Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 10:54 am |
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For some reason I can't think of too many 1-4-5 songs with an added 6 minor to use for teaching. I currently use the Everly brothers "All I Have to Do Is Dream," which is OK, but not too many students are even familiar with that.
Anyone have suggestions for a simple and familiar country or rock tune with a prominent 6 minor chord?
Thanks!
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Stu Schulman
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 11:01 am
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Every Breath?Stand By Me?
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Stu Schulman
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 11:02 am
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Hey John,Is that Jerry Mahoney? or Knucklehead Smiff? 
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 11:10 am
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That's Jerry, you knucklehead!
Ha!!!
Thanks for the song ideas, perfect.
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Stu Schulman
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 11:25 am
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John,I got more but I'm watching the Pope at Yankee Stadium and can't concentrate while the Pope's music is playing.
Stu
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John Steele (deceased)
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Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 11:30 am
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"Flowers on the wall" has huge VI minor passages in the chorus.
Other than that, I recommend every second tune written in the 1950's... many of which used the same
i - VIm - IV - V pattern:
Why must I be a Teenager in love
Last Kiss
Dream Dream Dream
Little Darlin'
Heart And Soul
Surfer Girl
The Sound of Silence
Sincerely
Blue Moon
Earth Angel
That's Enough (Ray Charles)
In The Still of the Night
Why do Fools Fall in Love
Since I fell for you
There will never be another you
At the Hop
Runaway
Foggy Mountain Breakdown ? 
And many more too numerous to list.
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 2:24 pm
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County Roads - John Denver.
JE:-)> |
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Jim Peters
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St. Louis, Missouri, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 4:39 pm
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Almost any Sam Cook song. JP
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Marc Friedland
From:
Fort Collins, CO
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 6:05 pm
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Hi John,
Yes, there are hundreds of songs from the 50's & 60's that use the common 1 6 4 5 changes, but if they don't know Dream by the Everly Brothers, they probably won't know any of the others. I was going to suggest "This Boy" by the Beatles, but most likely they won't know that one either. The already mentioned Country Roads would be a perfect song, of course it's been over a third of a century since it was a hit, but maybe they'll know it anyway.
Here's a suggestion --
"Alibis" by Tracy Lawrence
It's about 10 years old and is in 3/4 time, key of E.
If I remember correctly, it uses only 1, 2, 4, 5, & 6 chords.
There's also some pretty cool sounding country licks your students may enjoy working on.
I'm sure I'll think of plenty more later, and let you know.
Marc
Also - John Anderson's Seminole Wind, only uses 4 chords the whole song, over and over in the same order -- Em G D A
I realize it's not 1 6 4 5, but it may work anyway. |
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Pete Finney
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Nashville Tn.
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 7:05 pm
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In spite of the way it is too often played (and I played it wrong for years!) the "6" chord in "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" is major in the original Flatt and Scruggs recording...
But maybe that's why there's a "smilie"...  |
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LJ Eiffert
From:
California, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 7:30 pm
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| Here you go. Angel Baby, Tears on my Pillow. > Ice Cream [ c am f g ] cords . Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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John Steele (deceased)
From:
Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 9:46 pm
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if they don't know Dream by the Everly Brothers, they probably won't know any of the others.
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You're right. Sounds like we should ask them to make a list of the songs they know, and we can tell them which ones have minor VI chords in them. 
-John
p.s. Mike, I'm not sure why, but I blurted that song out at a recent blues gig, while the bass player looked on in horror. It was cool. |
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Dan Hatfield
From:
Columbia, Mo USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 9:57 pm
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| "You Are My Treasure" by Jack Greene is loaded with 6m's. |
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 9:59 pm
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Thanks, everyone. Leo, I should have mentioned I'm avoiding the ice cream changes tunes, they're normally pretty brisk, and again most would probably be unfamiliar to students.
Keep the tunes coming, folks.
btw, the final song we study is Someday Soon, with the 6-, 2 major, 3-, plus all that great Big E playing and THAT tone! I think if someone wants to hear that tone of a push-pull, that's the song to pull out. Any thoughts on that?
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Clyde Mattocks
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Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 10:06 pm
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Pete, in the original of "Foggy Moutain Breakdown", it sounds to me like Earl is playing the minor and Lester is playing major on the guitar. I have done
it this way with some of my picking buddies and it gives that same eerie tension that is on the old
cut.
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Billy Wilson
From:
El Cerrito, California, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2008 10:40 pm
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David Collins
From:
Madison, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 21 Apr 2008 7:43 am
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John,
Might I suggest Amazing Grace. Nearly everyone alive has heard it somewhere along the line, and it can be played with and without the VImin. It is really good to demonstrate the difference in the "feeling" of the song to do it both ways for the students.
(My opinion, along with a buck fifty will get you a cup of stale coffee at most convience stores)
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Marc Friedland
From:
Fort Collins, CO
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Posted 21 Apr 2008 12:08 pm
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John,
I sent you an email I hope will be helpful.
Marc |
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Steve Alcott
From:
New York, New York, USA
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Posted 21 Apr 2008 9:57 pm
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| "It's Rainin", on Texas Dancehall Classics II. Shameless plug, but it does have a prominent minor 6 chord (and a minor 4!), and it's a pretty simple tune. |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 22 Apr 2008 7:42 am
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| Alicia Keys current hit "No One" has the progression I V VIm IV, which was also the progression in The Blackeyed Peas hit "Where is the Love" a couple of years ago. It's a popular progression for R&B ballads these days. |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 22 Apr 2008 8:50 am
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| Thats funny. I have gotten in arguments over the years with people who insist that a 6th chord is always a minor. Its not. Same with the 2 & 3. |
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Steve Alcott
From:
New York, New York, USA
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Posted 22 Apr 2008 9:10 am
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There may be a little terminological confusion going on here. What John was looking for was a song in which a "VI" or "6" chord occurs, which as a chord based on the sixth degree of a major scale will be a minor chord.
A "6th" chord can be built on any note and contains the root, third, fifth, and sixth intervals (1,3,5,6). The 3rd can be major (D6=D, F#, A, B) or minor (Dm6=D, F, A, B).
It all depends whether you are referring to the chord in its relationship to a scale or as a discrete entity. |
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Bo Legg
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Posted 24 Apr 2008 5:19 pm
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| Hi Steve Alcott. While I agree with your use of theory here I think traditional country pedal steel goes by this theory. You only use two chords the up position and the down position and you move these around to cover all the chords and modes. So the 6 minor not to be confused with a minor 6th chord is just another up or down chord. I'm being sarcastic of course. |
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