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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 29 Dec 2007 10:21 pm |
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The great Scottish folksinger Bert Jansch performing live. Been listening to this guy for over thirty years now.
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Olli Haavisto
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Posted 30 Dec 2007 12:20 am
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That`s great, thanks !
Did you you know that Bert recorded an album with Michael Nesmith producing in 1970 something, called L.A. Turnaround ?
Features Red Rhodes on steel....
I wonder if it`s available on CD,would love to get a copy?
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 30 Dec 2007 12:29 am
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Hi Oli, I had no idea Bert recorded an album with Red Rhodes that was produced by Nesmith. I'm just glad there's someone else on this forum besides me who appreciates Bert Jansch.  |
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Mike Perlowin
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Rick Batey
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Posted 30 Dec 2007 9:09 am
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Good to see Bert Jansch mentioned. I think L.A. Turnaround might be his best-ever album... Red Rhodes plays some really beautiful steel on songs like Fresh As A Sweet Sunday Morning and Needle Of Death (a very different take to the original).
It's unavailable on CD and highly sought-after on vinyl (even Bert himself had to pay top dollar on eBay) though there are a few tracks available on compilations... five on 1993's Three Chord Trick, and three on 2000's Dazzling Stranger. Hope this helps. |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 30 Dec 2007 9:13 am
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Mike,
thanks for posting those links. I saw the Pentangle at Carnegie Hall in the late sixties when I was 13. It was was one of the most memorable concerts I ever saw. I just read that they are getting back together (but only for one show) Below is the news clipping-
ORIGINAL PENTANGLE Sweet Child 40 th Anniversary Concert at the Royal Festival Hall
On 29 June 2008, exactly 40 years to the day that unique British folk/jazz 'supergroup' Pentangle recorded the live disc of their seminal double album, Sweet Child, at London's Royal Festival Hall, the original band: Bert Jansch, John Renbourn, Jacqui McShee, Danny Thompson and Terry Cox, will reunite and return to the Royal Festival Hall to celebrate their legacy.
Rick,
Thanks for that info. My favorite recordings by Jansch are "Birthday Blues" and "Rosemary Lane".
His most recent album is "Black Swan" which has a version of "The Old Triangle" (The song he plays in the Youtube clip I posted above)
There is also a DVD out called "Fresh as a sweet Sunday morning" which is a 2006 performance at Sheffield Memorial Hall(UK). It is available at Amazon for anyone who is interested. |
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Mike Perlowin
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Posted 30 Dec 2007 11:38 am
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| Mike Shefrin wrote: |
| I just read that they are getting back together (but only for one show) |
Only one show? I gotta go to England to see them?
NO FAIR!!!..
Guys and Jackie, if you're reading this, (As I'm sure you are,) please do a tour and come back to Los Angeles. Failing that, at least make a film of the concert. OK? Please? Pretty please? With a cherry on top?
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Posted 30 Dec 2007 12:01 pm
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| Basket of Light got heavy playtime back then. Not as much as ISB but the Jansch/Renbourn vituosity killed me. I can't figure where or how I got the exposure to this neo-Brit Folk thing. Although I no longer have any of my old albums, it seems to me from :30 sound clips that Pentangle totally holds up today. Unfortunately, not so much for ISB even though I lived & breathed them at the time. |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 30 Dec 2007 12:17 pm
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| Hey Jon, I was a ISB fan too. I saw them many times at the old Fillmore East in the east village. I seem to recall from an old forum thread that we both went to the "House of Musical Traditions" which was also in the east village. I seem to remember you saying that you bought a sitar there. I almost bought a gimbri there but couldn't afford the price they were asking. Both Jansch and Robin Williamson hail from Scotland as you know. I once saw a photo of them together and barely recognized Williamson. He had put on quite alot of weight. I'll see if I can dig up that photo. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Posted 30 Dec 2007 12:34 pm
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Yeah, I'd like to see that photo. That's correct--House of Musical Traditions, House of Traditional Music...something. Sitar. I thought it would help get me laid. I haven't lost hope yet. Bought it with money borrowed from my dad. Which meant that I had to work at a summer camp that summer to pay him back. The camp was near Binghamton, NY. Because of the debt, I could not risk my job to spend the weekend in Bethel for a small music and art festival they had going on there. Which is just as well--I'd probably still be picking mud out from various orifices. I have to admit that as much of an iconic event as Woodstock was, I imagine that I would have been utterly miserable there so I'd be lying if I called missing it the biggest mistake of my life or anything....
I only saw ISB once....I think it was at Philharmonic Hall (pre "Avery Fisher") but I'm not certain. Fillmore would have been hipper, for sure. I remember searching far and wide back then for their first album ("Womankind", "First Girl I Loved") and finally ordering it from "Record Hunter" near Grand Central.
Still have that sitar. In a bit less than pristine condition. Unlike me. When music comes that full circle, I'm ready!
The sitar currently is serving as a sitar bar until I can afford the real thing.
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 30 Dec 2007 12:45 pm
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Well, I looked and looked but couldn't find the photo of Jansch and Williamson together. It was taken backstage at one of Bert's gigs. I did find a fairly recent photo of Williamson though. Hopefully he's lost some weight since when that photo was taken. Come to think of it, I could shed a few pounds myself. Maybe that'll be my New Year's resolution. 
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 30 Dec 2007 12:51 pm
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| Man--unlike myself, he's put on a few years since 1969. |
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Jason Odd
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Stawell, Victoria, Australia
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Posted 31 Dec 2007 3:20 pm
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| L.A. Turnaround was cut and released in '74, the same year Judee Sill recorded her last (unreleased until recently) album at the same studio. |
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Mike Perlowin
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Posted 6 Jan 2008 12:00 am
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| Jon Light wrote: |
| Basket of Light got heavy playtime back then. Not as much as ISB but the Jansch/Renbourn vituosity killed me. I can't figure where or how I got the exposure to this neo-Brit Folk thing. Although I no longer have any of my old albums, it seems to me from :30 sound clips that Pentangle totally holds up today. Unfortunately, not so much for ISB even though I lived & breathed them at the time. |
I LOVED the ISB in 1967 when I was 21, Especially "The Hangman's beautiful Daughter" which, at the time I thought was a really important and significant album. But like Jon, I feel their music doesn't hold up today. In fact, today I think it's rather silly and childish. I think their appeal to us back in the 60s was their exoticness. We were young and unsophisticated, and impressed with them because they were strange and unusual and played sitars and ouds and other exotic instruments. But the musicians in the Pentangle had chops, and that's why their music still holds up.
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Dave Boothroyd
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Posted 6 Jan 2008 2:28 am
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There are three tracks from LA Turnaround on the "Dazzling Stranger" Compilation 2 CD set.
"Fresh as a Sweet Sunday Morning"
"The Blacksmith"
"Chambertin"
The Bass player on these sessions is Klaus Voorman.
I have a real Jansch rarity in my vinyl cupboard- a white label LP which is not quite any of the released albums- it's mostly "A Rare Conundrum" -"One to a Hundred" on US release, but there are no live tracks and the number is made up from studio tracks that appear on "Thirteen Down"
A student gave me it years ago, knowing I was a fan. This guy, a catering student who was an excellent bass player, had previously been a barman at a well-known London pub, and Bert was not in terrific financial shape in the mid seventies. Get the picture?
There are pictures of me in the early seventies where I looked quite similar to Bert, thin with long dark hair.
Of course, he's older balder and heavier now, so now he looks like me!
I wish I could play like him though- I couldn't then and I can't now.
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Glenn Suchan
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Austin, Texas
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 7:49 am
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The thread title "Bert Jansch" attracted my attention. I'm not all that familiar with his music, and I've heard of Pentangle, but once again, not familiar with their music. However, "ISB" is something I've never heard of before and I'm curious. Jon Light, or Mike Perlowin, who or what is "ISB"?
I have a CD titled The Art Of Fingerstyle Guitar, 1991, Shanachie Records. It's a compendium (suprise, surprise) of European fingerstyle guitarists. One song, "Bridge", features Bert Jansch. It's enjoyable, but others on the CD really caught my attention. Dave Evans and Davey Graham, to name two. However, two songs really stand out from the rest: "Wishbone Ash" by Peter Finger, and "The Pavane for the Sleeping Beauty", a translation of Maurice Ravel's "Pavne Pour une infante de'funte", by Leo Wijnkamp, Jr.
Peter Finger is a fan of the British rock band Wishbone Ash, and his song of the same name is a tribute to their music. Much of the band's signature sound is captured on accoustic guitar, by his nimble fingers. Very interesting fingerstyle guitar.
As for Leo Wijnkamp, Jr., his translation of "Pavne Pour une infante de'funte" is breathtakingly, beautiful. Albeit simple. He also performs two other songs on this CD, including a version of the Beatles "When I'm 64". I've been searching, for a number years for any additional published CD's by Leo Wijnkamp, Jr. To no avail. Do any of you Forum members, particularly European Forum members, have any knowledge of Leo Wijnkamp, Jr., or recordings by him?
Keep on pickin'!
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Dave Mudgett
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 8:10 am
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ISB is the Incredible String Band.
Always been a Jansch/Renbourn fan, even though that's not the way I play guitar. Saw Pentangle back in a day also - also just great. I agree it holds up well. |
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Mike Perlowin
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 8:19 am
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| Dave Mudgett wrote: |
| ISB is the Incredible String Band. |
The Incredible String Band was very popular among the same people who liked Pentangle. They were sort of a Celtic hippie folk band who sang about wizards and minotaurs and mythological creatures and theme, and played a lot of exotic instruments.
There's a whole bunch of You Tube videos of them.
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 9:46 am
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I agree with Mike Perlowin that the Incredible String band's music does sound somewhat dated and silly today, although the Pentangle's music still holds up after all these years. I must say though that as much as I enjoy the Pentangle, I've always prefered to hear Jansch just on his own. I just listened to "The Auld Triangle" youtube clip once again, and it gave me goosebumps. If I could sing and accompany myself the way Jansch does, I wouldn't even bother trying to play steel guitar (I'd also have alot less gear to have to haul around)  |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 12:31 pm
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| Sorry about that, Glenn. Too much damned work to type out their whole name. But I didn't mean to sound elitist (like I'm so cool that I can call them ISB and only other ISB people will know who I am talking about.) Not my intention. |
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Eric Jaeger
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Oakland, California, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 3:32 pm
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It was just too weird to see the Pentangle at the Fillmore... sitting down. Drummer in the center, bass player to one side, Jacqui on the other side, Renbourn and Jansch at opposite ends.
I saw Jacqui McShee and John Renbourn a year or so ago at the Freight. Still wonderful music. It's a blend of acoustic/folk/jazz/blues that ought to have a few followers these days. There wasn't anyone like them then (and I don't they had very much in common with the ISB) and there certainly isn't now.
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 4:03 pm
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| Eric Jaeger wrote: |
| I don't they had very much in common with the ISB |
Musically, they didn't. ISB was about mythology and exotica, but not particularly great musicianship. Pentangle was about 2 virtuoso guitarists and an equally gifted rhythm section playing great music together. Nevertheless, the 2 groups seem to have appealed to a lot of the same people at the time.
This thread reminds my of another band and album of note. Liege and Leaf by Fairport Convention. What a wonderful album. What a tragedy that Sandy Denney died so young (She was only 30 when she fell off the stage during a concert and suffered a fatal injury.)
Steeleye Span was another great group from the same era.
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 11:55 pm
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| Hey, Perlowin, wasn't Maggie Bell in Steeleye Span? If not, then who am I thinking of? |
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Olli Haavisto
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Posted 10 Jan 2008 12:27 am
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Maddy Pryor ring a Bell ?
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Jason Odd
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