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I can walk thru an old honky tonk parking lot and hear that 4/4 bass coming thru the walls of a beer joint and open the door and hear a steel ride going on and I just about lose it.Iam 35 years old (I was born to way to late)but I am a old school country guy and I have paid the price with alot of my younger buddies for being like Iam.They cant understand why I love it so much,but I cant understand how they dont love it.I dont want be one of those guys that bash the new country because I know it takes all kind to make this world go around but why do the younger people insist on hating the old stuff ?

<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Wade Branch on 03 December 2005 at 02:10 PM.]</p></FONT><font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Wade Branch on 03 December 2005 at 02:12 PM.]</p></FONT>

I think it's mostly peer preasure. Can't let your buddies know you dig that stuff!
Wade, did you check out my new CD?
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"why do the younger people insist on hating the old stuff ?"

I think it has a lot to do with peer pressure. Everybody wants to be accepted as one of the crowd and not an individual.

JP

I think its because, like much music, its an aquired taste. That means that you need to be exposed to it for a period of time before your brain can process it properly to the point that appreciation and enjoyment can take place. Opera is similar in that way. Many people love it passionately, others hate it. It also is as open for satire amongst the un-initiated. However if you spend enough time listening to it, it can get under your skin. I felt that way about opera until I went to see Tosca. Now, I get goose bumps everytime I hear an aria from that opera.

Without the proper exposure though, the mind is unable to get used to it.

Wade, I'm 8 years your junior, and I feel the same way, so it's not all us "young" guys. Sadly, we do appear to be in the minority.

Actually, I don't think the casual listener is exposed to enough of that kind of stuff. The typical fan that listens to the radio and buys an occational CD when they like a song, only hears what they're fed on the radio. When there was a better percentage of good shuffles, swings, two steps, etc on the raido, like in the early to mid 90's, people ate it up, and country record sales were through the roof.

Country just isn't the "hip" thing right now. But I think it's on its way back. Time will tell.

Actually the traditional sounds of country (you know, Merle, Buck and Jeannie Shephard) are on the rise with the younger set, out here in CA anyway. Just ask Dave Zirbel how old the crowds are for the Johnny Dilts Band is. Hey I'm with ya on the 4/4 shuffle... Johnny Bush forever!

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I have pondered on why an "in the pocket" shuffle gives me goosebumps... but as to why it doesn't affect others I can't say...:

http://dvanet.net/shuffle.html

<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Dave Van Allen on 02 December 2005 at 02:27 PM.]</p></FONT><font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Dave Van Allen on 02 December 2005 at 04:23 PM.]</p></FONT>

answer: They make me feel pretty good all over. And I didn't discover them until this forum.

James suggests:

<SMALL>Everybody wants to be accepted as one of the crowd and not an individual.</SMALL>

Not EVERYBODY! Years ago I learned to be content alone instead of pleasing others. In my neighborhood there was a kind of "leader" who directed his followers what new music to listen to. When said followers would suggest to me I should listen to this I explained that I don't need others to decide for me what music I like... but, in general your observation holds true.

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<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by erik on 02 December 2005 at 04:07 PM.]</p></FONT>

Sorta "Ray Pricey",
I don't play the bars/honkytonks anymore, but when I hear a good 4/4....I can almost smell a Colorado Cool aid,etc,etc.....

Bill

I think a shuffle beat, whether in country or blues, is completely irresistable. It makes most people want to move. It relates to the natural walking/shuffling rhythm - the speed and the snappiness determine the mood of the piece.

Like I say, to me, whether it's Ray Price, Johnny Bush, or T-Bone Walker, it just gets me movin'. The blues versions seem to be more "politically correct" right now, but I have sometimes worked in bands where we seque directly from one to the other, and once people get it, well, they get it.

One problem is finding a drummer who can really play a shuffle correctly. It has an element of swing, and if they don't know how to swing, it won't work. I don't think one can "teach" anybody how to swing - but it is possible to learn.

Makes me want to misbehave!!

I just pray that when it comes back, I am not too damned old to go out & play it, hurry back 4/4 shuffle, I am 61 & the steel is getting heavy!!

Ernie :}

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Everybody likes it, But they won't admit it.

I love the 4/4 shuffle.We don't play the bars and honky tonks, but do alot of old country.My son which is 13 years old is our drummer and a good one at that.He likes playing old country but he also likes doing some of the old rock and roll 50's and 60's.

Its so nice to hear that there are younger
players that love the old country ! / let me
rephrase that - Real Country - !!!
All the fellows that I pick with are from that
era ! and that's all we know ! What I find is ,
the younger crowd loves it to .

A week or so back we played a benefit for a
drummed that was injured in a car accident ,
it was held at a bar ( Castaways ) in Port Angeles .
This is a R&R - and country Rock place ! we Kicked off with "
Steel Guitar Rag "
and did all the old old stuff !
" Time changes every thing "
"Its only make believe "
" Fair well Party "
" its Four in the Morning "
" Oklahoma Hills "
" Bad Bad leroy Brown"
" Sue City Sue "
" Cold Cold Hart "
And the list goes on !!
The dance floor was full all the time .

We are what I would call a recreational band !
we all carry Medicare cards , and do it for
the fun of it , ( & the money ) But from what I see ,
the folks out there love the old stuff , you all
should just go do it ! its more popular than you think .
The fans of Real Country are in nersing homes ,
you all can make new fans ! Go for it ! in my
opinion the door is open !

Long live Real Country
Bob

Love that 4/4 shuffle... it is irresistable ... love to listen, love to play it, love to dance it..love that walkin' bass..

IT'S AAAAAAAALL GOOD!!!!

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How does a 4/4 shuffle make me feel? It reminds me that Ray Price still owes me money.

Was that a "BAH HUMBUG" Bobbe

Guys, I KNOW for a fact that Wade truley loves REAL COUNTRY music. heck, he's in the right area to hear it almost every night...LIVE. I have thought for a long time, and I've come up with this solution for OUR kind of music to SWEEP in, and get as strong as it ever was..NO D.J.'s UNDER THE AGE OF FIFTY..!!! The majority of young D.J.'s don't know the history of Country Music. They think Alabama is "Traditional Country Music".

I am seeing more, and more young folks at our gigs, and yhey tell me, they have been listening to KTFW - 92.1 fm (Which you can get on your computer by visiting, www.countrygoldradio.com )and they come in the clubs and say they didn't know anyone was playing that stuff live!

So, Wade, I'm going to go out on limb and say the answer is: EXPOSURE.. you're doing the right thing, as we ALL should, SUPPORT THE KIND OF MUSIC YOU LIKE... keep it up. [Also, Sorry I left early last night, but I needed to get some sleep, and get ready for this weekend.]

If anyone is interested, tonight (Dec. 3rd) KTFW will do a live remote from the FINISH LINE. Although we kick it off at 4:00pm Texas time, the Radio Broadcast will start @ 6:00pm

I love Shuffles. In fact I had a lead guitar player that used to constantly argue with me about our playlist having too many shuffles. Needless to say, he's gone and no longer in my band. This guy used to say "you outta move to SHUFFLEVILLE". Anyway, it's my kinda music and I'm mighty proud me & my boys do it. Please visit our website at www.countryjunctionband.com

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Wade, I'm with you. I'm 34. My close friends could never understand why I liked that old weepy, cryin' in your beer country either. So I turned them on to Hank Jr. He's a little more rockish then some of the others. They liked that. Even the real country stuff he did they liked. That got me in the door. Gave them Haggard to listen to. They liked that also. Then Jones. That was a tough one. But they said "damn that guy sings it like he means it". And on to Gene Watson etc......... One common denominator. With every artist I turned them onto they found something they liked. Now when they hear the new stuff even they are critical and tell me that the new music just doesn't have the substance. And that Kenny Chesney is no George Jones. Now when my band plays out I see more and more of them coming out to see us and even requesting songs. AMEN

When I hear a 4/4 I get all warm and fuzzy.....

Hi Wade, I'm 36, and feel just like you! Nothing like a Ray Price or Faron Young shuffle. Sure, most my friend laugh at me for it, but I don't care. My favourite music is and probably always will be the great honky-tonk shuffles of the 60's.
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Most of you guys touched on what I already thought,which is that most people really do enjoy the traditional country shuffles and ballads.Have you ever thought about a song in your mind and think "I aint really crazy about that song" and the you hear it in a dance hall and think "WOW" !! that really is a great song !! and that's because once you get the beat running thru your veins at a loud volume and feel the energy from that walking bass and the air is filled with subtle steel guitar and a strong classic style vocals, it just feel's right even though most would'nt admit it to their Toby Keith loving buddies...."How do you like me know" ? Toby ,I think we all know the answer to that.Oh well as long as I can go and listen to good ol'live traditional country music and get my weekly fix ,they can play all the cRAP they want to on the air,but I know music always makes a full circle and when it does I know some boys around here that are going to take the country scene by storm and this time were going keep it country and defend it like pop is a plague.

I just wanted to thank the generation before me/us for starting a whole musical genre that the world know calls "Country" that moves me every single time I hear it and always will.I will spend the rest of my life perfecting and protecting a timeless traditon and carrying on the legacy of the steel guitar. <font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Wade Branch on 03 December 2005 at 02:21 PM.]</p></FONT>

I love shuffles, Wade. As a matter of fact I just cut "Purple Rain"... as a shuffle!



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