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Topic: Sneaky Pete's copedent and string gages! |
Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2005 8:00 pm |
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Anita was kind enough to send me this correction to what's been posted in the past. Pedals 1 and 2 were reversed, and pedal 1 has an additional pull on the 8th string that's been missing from the old records:
(copedent was here, but I deleted it - see below)
string gages are:
.015
.018
.020
.022
.030W
.034W
.038W
.049W
Now I can leave it to the theorists to ponder the whys and whats of the changes. I had most of mine set up the old way and working pretty well - this doesn't look drastically different, but it IS correct. [This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 03 December 2005 at 08:02 PM.]
Edited to add - sorry, I deleted the copedent - I tried the UBB formatting and again have not been able to make it work. I have no clue how to fix this. 5 tries at this and it never works (FWIW UBB formatting rarely works on any other boards either. Why they don't just use html is beyond me). If anyone has a clue other than the notes in the help files (the tab commands with the brackets) please feel free to let me know, because those don't do anything at all.
I really would like to post it as several peple have been asking about it lately in emails, and I thought it might be interestng to discuss again because it IS unusual - I;ve heard it described as an abbreviated universal tuning.[This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 03 December 2005 at 08:03 PM.] [This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 03 December 2005 at 08:38 PM.] [This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 03 December 2005 at 08:39 PM.] [This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 03 December 2005 at 08:56 PM.] [This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 03 December 2005 at 08:56 PM.] |
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2005 7:12 am
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Bump - only to try to get some help posting the copedent. I've tried the "tab" commands in the help files, and it looks great on the screen - until II post it and go back to the message. Then the formatting is all fouled again.
Help! |
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Bill McCloskey
From:
Nanuet, NY
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Posted 4 Dec 2005 8:42 am
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 4 Dec 2005 9:19 am
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Jim
Send it to me in whatever fmt you have
I'll post it for you and you can 'Edit' and see how it's done
larry@larrybell.org
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 5 Dec 2005 8:10 pm
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| Just forwarded it to Larry |
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 5 Dec 2005 9:34 pm
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This is it
LK 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RK
D# C# E D
B A# C# A# C#
G# A G
F# G# F A
D# E D
B C#
G# A G
F#
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 05 December 2005 at 09:35 PM.] |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 5 Dec 2005 10:19 pm
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Weird - when I hit "edit on that post to see how it was formatted all the formatting fouled up - and yet it shows ok when posted.
So how can you tell when it will look right if it has to look wrong when you're making the post - and how do you know how "wrong" to make it and where? |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 5:20 am
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| b)b, my whole point in posting was that that one is not correct - the first and second pedals are backwards; the first pedal also has a g+ pull on the 8th string. This info is from Anita, who sets up and tunes the thing for him on tour. |
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ebb
From:
nj
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 7:53 am
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so he plays emmons not day?
does anita play also? |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 4:04 pm
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Jim, if the chart on my web site is wrong I want to correct it. It looks the same to me as the one that Larry Bell posted.
I always use Notepad to create charts for posting, then cut and paste into the Forum message.
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 4:57 pm
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"so he plays emmons not day?
does anita play also?"
huh?
He plays a B6 tuning, so I don't know how that applies.
No, Anita doesn't play, really, but she does work as "guitar tech".
b0b - I'll try the notepad method when I get some time. Every other method has resulted in a mess...[This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 06 December 2005 at 04:57 PM.] |
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ebb
From:
nj
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Posted 6 Dec 2005 5:15 pm
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| his first 2 pedals are his corn pedals exactly as on e9 but a 4th below. so emmons has these arranged as A,B but jimmy day had them as B,A. [This message was edited by ebb on 06 December 2005 at 05:17 PM.] |
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Dave Zirbel
From:
Sebastopol, CA USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 7:55 am
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If Pete could only have 5 pedals on his guitar, which ones do you think they would be in order for him to execute his licks the way he does, and to get his trademark sound that we know? When I saw him he didn't use all the pedals and played no pedals too.
DZ |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 8:18 am
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"his corn pedals exactly as on e9"
Translation? What the heck is a "corn" pedal?? |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 8:20 am
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| Dave - When I've seen him it's been the first 2 or 3, one or two in the center and the right knee. I don't recall much use of the pedals on the far right. On my setup I'm eliminating #9...only because I don't have the pedal and rod! |
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Dave Zirbel
From:
Sebastopol, CA USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 8:36 am
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You still need more rods?! 
I remember him using a few in the middle too. I'm thinking of a condensed U8 tuning with 5, maybe 6 pedals and 2 knees. 8 or 9 pedals on one neck is too many for this simple guy! 
DZ |
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Russ Tkac
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 8:40 am
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Jim,
His common pedals are 1&2 like on the E9. The same pulls but in B6. The copedent shows a "Day" setup. If you reverse pedals 1&2 it would be an "Emmons" set up on a std. E9 but tuned to B6. Hope that helps.
Russ |
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ebb
From:
nj
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 9:24 am
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LKL 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RKR
G+ F+ . A . . . G . . . .
E . . . . D+ . . F+ D+ . F+
C+ . . . D . . . . . C .
B . C+ . . . A+ . . . . D
G+ . . A . . . G . . . .
E . . . . . . . . F+ . .
C+ . . . D . . . . . C .
B . C+ . . . . . . . . .
here is the revised(day to emmons)b6 tuning translated to e . his first 2 pedals are the e9 pedals. his 5 and 6 are the same as c6s when translated to e.[This message was edited by ebb on 07 December 2005 at 09:32 AM.] |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 9:29 am
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| His first pedal doesn't affect the first string - and the LKL is in the wrong place. Something's wrong with that layout - same problem I've been having. Nothing seems to line up right. |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 9:58 am
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Russ - so 1&2 on an E9 are called "corn" pedals?
Odd term usage. Any idea where it came from?
Dave - yeah, still need one newer-type rod and pedal set.[This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 07 December 2005 at 10:01 AM.] |
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Russ Tkac
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 10:06 am
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It think he just means "common" to E9 and Sneaky's B6. If everyone has the pulls they are common to all.
Is this the setup?
LKL 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RKR
D+ C+ . E . . . D . . . .
B . . . . A+ . . C+ A+ . C+
G+ . . . A . . . . . G .
F+ . G+ . . . F . . . . A
D+ . . E . . . D . . . .
B . . . . . . . . C+ . .
G+ . . . A . . . . . G .
F+ . G+ . . . . . . . . .
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ebb
From:
nj
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 10:23 am
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corn. probably derived from corney or he haw.
you guys need get some diamond horse shoe pinky rings and learn the code. for instance did you know that rosewood is a code word for mica.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 10:34 am
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| Jim, are you using a Mac? |
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Russ Tkac
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Posted 7 Dec 2005 11:44 am
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| Sorry. Without my readers corn looked like com. By the way...who's Mica? [This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 07 December 2005 at 11:45 AM.] |
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