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Topic: A View of Buddy from Outside the Forum.. |
Pat Burns
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Branchville, N.J. USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 12:46 pm |
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...interesting observation from someone on the "Poco Official Website", comparing Buddy Emmons to Rusty Young...a perception from someone outside our enclave..
...reading this helps me to remember how fortunate I am to have access to this great forum and everyone in it for (mostly) accurate information and insight into the world of steel guitar...and it helps me to remember that regardless, someone else will have another opinion...
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Doc, I need to find you a copy of Minors Aloud by Buddy Emmons, some of the best Jazz playing you'll ever here. I had it on vinyl many years ago. I'm sure we can find it on cd somewhere. When I got back yesterday I had a present from FedEx, PSG products sent me a "sitar" bar which I've been wanting for a while and a Jim Dunlop Ergo Bar for the dobro, they were nice enough to place issue number 4 of Pedal Steel Guitarist magazine from 1979. The magazine had a short life-span back in the late 70's early 80's. I'm going to check with PSG Products and see if they have other issues available and I'll bet they can point me in the right direction to find Buddy Emmon's stuff on CD. There are a lot of steel players who consider Buddy as the best and I'd have to rate him pretty high. Technically he's pretty close to Rusty, he's that good.
*Edited by SantaFe - Oct 21 2004, 6:14 AM
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 1:11 pm
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...talking about Buddy Emmons (in comparison to Rusty Young)...
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| Technically he's pretty close to Rusty, he's that good. |
ROTFLMFAO!!! 
There hasn't been a "rock" steel player to come along yet that can even carry Buddy's case. Take away their fuzz-tones, and most of them would stutter. |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 1:13 pm
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I'll bet Rusty and E would both get a real chuckle out of it.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 1:47 pm
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| Yeah, "technically" he's pretty close to Rusty, huh? Well, I'm sure he's worked "pretty hard" to achieve that similarity... ROTF. |
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 2:06 pm
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| Never mind. Don't get me started... |
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Paul King
From:
Gainesville, Texas, USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 2:59 pm
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| Right on Donny Hinson. I have always said you can take away their distortion and effects and most rockers could not play like they do when they have effects on their guitars. The one thing I do like about Buddy Emmons is his sound is clean and without a bunch of effects. Buddy Emmons has always been my personal favorite steel player and his sound is one of the many reasons why. I would love to hear some of the rock players play without any effects just to see what they really sound like. |
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 3:33 pm
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| That's the funniest thing I've heard today! |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 3:50 pm
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| Out of the mouths of babes ..... |
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Larry Strawn
From:
Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 4:04 pm
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Now this should be in the Humor section!! LOL..
Larry
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Emmons S/D-10, 3/4, Sessions 400 Ltd. Home Grown E/F Rack
"ROCKIN COUNTRY"
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 4:31 pm
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| He's a kid.... |
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Mike Selecky
From:
BrookPark, Ohio
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Pete Finney
From:
Nashville Tn.
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 4:37 pm
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Of course that statement about Buddy and Rusty is ignorant and uninformed (and kind of funny...). But to say that someone like Rusty "can't play without a fuzz-tone" just shows off a different kind of ignorance. If you truly knew his playing you could not say that, and if you don't really know his playing then why be so quick with the insults? Buddy may be the foremost player ever but Rusty is a fine (and important) player too and deserves better.
Just my humble opinion of course...
[This message was edited by Pete Finney on 02 August 2005 at 05:38 PM.] |
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thurlon hopper
From:
Elizabethtown Pa. USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 4:51 pm
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I think Buddy is in a class by himself and the competition is between the rest. Rusty and Buddy were on the album "Suite Steel" in
the late sixties and if any one doubts who weilds the best axe, just listen to Buddy tear it up. Also remember reading an article by Rusty some years ago, about this very subject and he placed himself outside the true PRO circle of players, saying that
players like Buddy, Curley, Jimmy Day were
the true Pros and i agree 100 percent. TJH |
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Jesse Harris
From:
Ventura, California, USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 5:07 pm
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| silliness |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 5:07 pm
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Well, before I get more hate mail, I guess I should reveal that I do think Rusty's a fine player, so's Sneaky Pete, but Emmons...well, he's Emmons! He defines technical ability and innovation on and of the instrument, and anyone that doesn't know that has been livin' under stump, somewhere. Buddy's actually far more important to pedal steel than guys like Hendrix, Clapton, and Beck are to rock guitar. Yeah, yeah, I know, these guys are idols to some, but there were a ton of influential rock guitarists around before they even came along. Before Buddy? Well, let's just say that the influential pedal players could be counted on one hand.
Gimmicks. Yeah, gimmicks can do a lot for a person's playing (in certain genres). Most rock players really rely on them, and would be totally lost without a bevy of stomp-boxes or amp overdrive to add to their sound, but my "acid test" for a guitar player has always been to throw him an acoustic guitar...then have him play for me. That separates the real guitar players from the gizmo wizards. It's the same in the world of steel. Wanna test a steeler? Sit him down behind a D8 Stringmaster, and then see what he can do!
Some can cut it without frills, pedals, and add-ons, and some can't. And, IMHO, those that can't should never be referred to as "masters of the instrument", no matter what style they play. |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 5:21 pm
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| Rusty is a fabulous player, and does NOT need a fuzztone to prove it. Just listen to his stuff on the first Poco album, tunes like Pickin' Up the Pieces, or (my fave) Consequently So Long, which are pure country steel sound. Recently on the forum, guys have been trading licks on his Honkey Tonk Downstairs. So, even tho' he pioneered in the use of the Leslie with steel to get a hot organ sound, he can play as clean and pure as anybody. The ridiculous part is only that the original poster on the other forum naively wrote that Buddy is "almost" as good as Rusty! LOL. Silly man... |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 5:23 pm
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| Technically he's pretty close to Rusty, he's that good. |
But is he as good as Jerry Garcia?
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ebb
From:
nj
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 5:26 pm
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| Technically he's pretty close to Rusty, he's that good |
lets be accurate here. close can be above or below |
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billy tam R.I.P.
From:
baton rouge, louisiana
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 5:27 pm
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| Amazing what images perception can create. I have been a Rusty Young fan for many many years. From the Buffalo Springfield days thru Poco and beyond I have admired Rusty's playing, however only historical ignorance(unfortunately evident in many aspects of life) could produce such un-informed comments concerning Buddy. Rusty will probably always be in my top 10, Buddy will probably always be in my top 2 or 3, if not #1. |
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Dave Mudgett
From:
Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 5:34 pm
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| Pete F. is on the money. Yes, the statement is absurd to the point of being hilarious. Buddy and Rusty are apples and oranges, but are both important players to a lot of people. So I don't understand this type of overgeneralized dissing of non-country players. This is exactly the type of thing that has lead some on this forum to ask why they can't have a 'non-country forum'. |
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Jerry Erickson
From:
Atlanta,IL 61723
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 5:37 pm
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| I'm sure Rusty could probably do fine on a non pedal guitar as well. He does some great things on dobro. He started out on a non pedal guitar. I used to teach at Guitar City in Lakewood,CO. When I started there his name was still on one of the doors. At one time I taught one of his nieces. His mom would bring her in for the lesson and sometimes she'd bring in music that Rusty had used when he was growing up. |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 5:39 pm
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Are you guys kidding? Jerry Garcia has em' both beat, ask any old hard rock fan.
Ha! It's all in the mind of the fans.
In other words, it's all in who you ask.
Besides, what is the definition of "good player"?
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Curt Langston
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 5:44 pm
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| Well, one question. What does ROTFLMFAO mean?....... |
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Jim Peters
From:
St. Louis, Missouri, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 6:14 pm
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I heard Poco unplugged on a Don Kershner or similiar show many years ago-all accoustic. I was a total Rock player,Zep, Hendrix,Who,etc. I could not believe Poco's musicianship and vocals, in tune and on pitch no less! I was not a country rock fan(yet).
Buddy is undisputed champ, no doubt about it, but Bad Weather still has my favorite steel solo.
BTW,there are many recordings of Buddy using flahgers, chorus,etc. This doesn't in any way diminish his ability. JimP |
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Tom Olson
From:
Spokane, WA
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Posted 2 Aug 2005 8:26 pm
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| Yeah, what was it that Buddy used on the song "Witch's Brew?" Maybe some sort of Wah-wah pedal or something like that. That is a cool song. |
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