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Topic: Sho-Bud or Emmons? |
Carson Leighton
From:
N.B. Canada
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Posted 25 Mar 2005 6:17 pm |
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| Let's say there were only two steel guitars to choose from, A Sho-Bud Professional or a push pull Emmons, and you could only pick one, which one would it be?......Carson |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 25 Mar 2005 6:38 pm
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Tough question. I've always wanted to own a Professional, so I would have to go with that. I have been recently yearning for a push/pull Emmons lately, though.
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Nick Reed
From:
Russellville, KY USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2005 8:50 pm
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Carson,
As far as I'm concerned, those are the ONLY two brands. . . .Emmons & Sho-Bud!
Nick
My Website: www.nickreedsteelguitar.iwarp.com [This message was edited by Nick Reed on 25 March 2005 at 08:53 PM.] |
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Lem Smith
From:
Long Beach, MS
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Posted 25 Mar 2005 9:16 pm
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The Sho~Bud Professional, and then have it immediately sent to Duane Marrs & Company for a complete rebuild with all new undercarriage, and a new finish if need be.
Lem |
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2005 9:24 pm
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| That would be the Emmons hands down for the best reason there is, tone! |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Mar 2005 9:43 pm
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Frank, you reflect the feelings of every pro player in the world, but we all still appreciate the other choice also, but not for playing reasons.
If you are a pro, its the Emmons, if not the Sho-Bud is easier to understand, keep tuned and maintained. But keep the Sho-Bud original, not butchered and modified.
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Bob Watson
From:
Champaign, Illinois, U.S.
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 12:49 am
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| I own both and I love both guitars for different reasons. As far as I'm concerned, its apples or oranges. I just got the Emmons though and thats what I have been playing on gigs lately. [This message was edited by Bob Watson on 26 March 2005 at 12:53 AM.] |
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David Mullis
From:
Rock Hill, SC
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 5:37 am
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| My personal preference, Emmons. I played nothing but Sho~Buds until I got my push pull. I still like the 'Buds, but there's just something about a push pull. |
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 6:03 am
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| I have had an older Emmons PP but I like the action and sound of my current Emmons all pull much better that I bought from Ron Jr a couple of years ago. |
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Rick Garrett
From:
Tyler, Texas
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 6:12 am
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From my limited experience, I've played both. I like the sound of an Emmons alright but the sound of a Sho Bud along with their appearance is what I prefer.
Rick |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 7:10 am
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| Bob Watson, good answer! Me too! |
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Robert Thomas
From:
Mehama, Oregon, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 7:19 am
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| I purchased a New Sho-bud Professional, D-10 8+4 in 1971 and played it for 27 years. Never had one problem. I always thought it was a great steel. I traded it in on a HWP Mullen D-10 8+4 to Herby Wallace in 1999. I have not one regret. I believe that the quality, the sound and the playability of the HWP Mullen is just great. I guess it goes without saying that we all have our preferences and there will never be common agreement or consensus on which is the best PSG. If I were to even entertain acquiring another PSG, it would be another HWP Mullen. |
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billy tam R.I.P.
From:
baton rouge, louisiana
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 7:44 am
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I am fortunate enough to have both, a mid-70's pro 111 custom and a 70 laquer push pull. I used the p/p last night(it's newer to me) and am planning to use the Sho-Bud tonight. Both are tone monsters, however the p/p is far superior mechanically.
thanks
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 8:02 am
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BUT there are other brands..and many many players including seasoned PRO's play them. And when they do we all walk away in amazement of how great they played and how awesome the TONE was.
The brand does not make the player and certainly does not dictate whether you are a PRO or not.
Sorry bobbe and Nick, I love ya both but ya need to get out more !
Both of these brands should be highly regarded and respected by all players, and I suspect they are.
But thats not where the story ends..it's where the story started.
The topic question is which one would you own of the two suggested..not do you think these are the only worthy Instruments on the planet...
I would own them both..not either..both..and I have owned several Sho-Buds..pretty much played on a D10 Pro III my entire hack tenure...
For me it would be a very good Pro-II or Super Pro..and probably a Legrand II over a PP.
But..I would not give up my current Steel for everyday punishment which is what it can deal with..and very well...
Happy Garden Day..or whatever they want to call it now..
t
[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 26 March 2005 at 08:18 AM.] |
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Lem Smith
From:
Long Beach, MS
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 8:15 am
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Bobbe,
If you were referring to my post, I mentioned getting a Marr's refurbishing. That is a FAR CRY from "butchering". Duane and Jeff produce some incredible work on these guitars.
If your collecting the guitars for historical collection purposes, then I can see where original would be best. However, if the guitars are going to be used as a primary "player" guitar, then I can see where modern mechanics and a new rebuild would be the better choice.
As far as "every pro player in the world" goes, I'm pretty sure Lloyd Green, Maurice Anderson, Curly Chalker, Paul Franklin, etc... would be considered pro, but yet they choose something different. Sure the Emmons push pulls are fantastic sounding guitars, but they certainly aren't the only viable option.
But I don't live in Nashville, and I'm just a nobody wannabe steel player, so what do I know...
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Frank Estes
From:
Huntsville, AL
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jim milewski
From:
stowe, vermont
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 10:12 am
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| Emmons all the way |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 10:19 am
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Sorry, but I don't buy the "Pinto v. Cadillac" argument.
Ergo, I don't believe that it's a zero-sum game, where for one brand to "win" the other has to "lose."
I own beautiful vintage Emmons guitars. I also own a beautiful vintage Sho-Bud, now at Duane's, which I'm sure I will love just as much as my Emmo's.
Just as many wonderful solos I've loved over the years have been played on either brand.
HOWEVER, in answer to the hypothetical question posed in the original post, I'd have to go with my Emmons.
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Texas Steel Guitar Association
[This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 26 March 2005 at 10:20 AM.] |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 10:44 am
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Carson, see what ya started !
Now your optional beloved choice of a Sho-Bud is a Ford Pinto !
Hey Frank..Pinto's were a hazard to drive and had all sorts of Lawyers screaming bloody murder at the mere fact that they were even manufactured...maybe you need to hang around with Nick and bobbe more often !
Sho-Buds equating to Ford Pinto's ?
Now thats a stretch there dude...
I wonder if Loyd is reading this and is thinking all those great tracks he recorded were with a Ford Pinto...
we've come a long way baby !
t[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 26 March 2005 at 12:09 PM.] |
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Hook Moore
From:
South Charleston,West Virginia
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 12:35 pm
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Emmons..
Hook |
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 12:40 pm
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| I remember a friend of mine, back in the 60's had a Sho-Bud D-8 that had a tone that I'll never forget. If I found a psg like that today, regardless of make, I'd want it. |
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Carson Leighton
From:
N.B. Canada
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 12:53 pm
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I picked these two guitars for this question, for a reason. To me, the Professional Sho~Bud is one of the best soundiong steels in the world, and that includes all the new brands and all the ones that aren't built yet, for that matter. Notice, I said "to me". I have played one on many occasions, in the studios and on gigs. I found it to be a great guitar for recording. This guitar is not mine, but I would love to own it. It worked every bit as good as any other steel and sounded incredible.
The Emmons that I own is a 72 P/P and has a tremendous amount of depth to it's sound. Also, a great guitar for recording. I have worked on both guitars, so maintenance on either isn't a problem for me. The Emmons has something the Sho~bud doesn't have in its sound, but hold on, the Sho~bud has something the Emmons doesn't have as well. I find the Sho~bud a bit sweeter sounding and clearer in the upper register, but the Emmons has that growl that seems to come only from an Emmons, especially a P/P guitar. I would be hard pressed to make a decision on which guitar I would choose, if I could only have the one. It's not fair to say that one is better than the other, just different. Yes, this is a hypothetical question, and can only apply to those who know something about these particular steels....God bless you all, and have a happy Easter........Carson
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 1:34 pm
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| Neither one could lay a finger on my Wheeler, MultiKord,or Little Buddy.... |
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Scott Denniston
From:
Hahns Peak, Colorado, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 2:16 pm
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| I've only played an Emmons once and bought the Sho-Bud that was sitting next to it (many years ago). I now have a Marrs refurbed Professional that to me sounds even better than before I sent it to them. My ears might be a little influenced by it's beauty though I don't know. What I do know is that it plays 10 times smoother. But then I never really got into the mechanics and keeping them adjusted. Somehow I just can't equate the difference between the Sho-Bud and Emmons with better or worse sounding. That large cab Sho-Bud sure has a sweet sound though. [This message was edited by Scott Denniston on 26 March 2005 at 02:23 PM.] |
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 2:23 pm
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| OK Bob I can honestly say I owned a very nice Sho-Bud that I sold just last year and I've owned Emmons p/p's since 86. For looks it's hard to beat the Sho-Bud (even the green ones)but at the same time the Emmons has a look like a fighter jet plane compared to the old prop aircraft, just more streamline and sleek. The tone is another thing entirely. If all the Sho-Buds sounded like Lloyds No.1 LDG (and him playing it of course) I'd say the Buds would give the Emmons a run for their money but that ain't the case. For tone the old Emmons has a tone to die for that no other guitar can match or duplicate. I loved the old Bud I sold and it played great and had sustain for days but I kept the Emmons. Just my opinion of course but a firm one on this subject. |
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