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Topic: More great Joaquin... Happy New Year, Forum! |
Herb Steiner
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 1:36 pm |
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In another uncharacteristic outpouring of love  , here's another in my series of amazing Joaquin Murphey performances I'm putting on my Joaquin Murphey Tribute Page
This one is a live radio shot from 1945 or 1946, on the Hollywood Barn Dance with Andy Parker and the Plainsmen. The song is Columbus Stockade Blues, and the incredible soloing is by Murphey and George Bamby.
This one will knock your ducks in the dirt, trust me. When you get to the page, scroll down and click on the file ColumbusStockade.mp3.
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Todd Kapeghian
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Vestal, New York, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 1:50 pm
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Herb..
That was great!!! Thanks & I'll think I'll down a shot of schnapps tonight  Happy New Year!
Bethel D-10 9&9
[This message was edited by Todd Kapeghian on 31 December 2003 at 01:52 PM.] |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 1:56 pm
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| Thanks Herb. Sometimes I hear stuff that inspires me to play. Sometimes I hear stuff that inspires me to drink. I'm still sorting this one out. That's some wicked picking. |
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Billy Wilson
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El Cerrito, California, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 2:51 pm
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| Thank you Herb!!! Keep those babies comin' i love it. Is Joaquin coming out of a C6th type of tuning on those cuts or is he one of these multiple tuning guys like Jerry Byrd? I love the way Joaquin had Chas set up his pedal guitar for him. Two pedals on the left. two pedals on the right and 2 knee levers for each knee on a tuning similar to standaed C6th. He had 9 strings on it with 3/8" string spacing. Makes perfect sense to me. I'd love to have a guitar set up just like that. Vance Terry used to love showing off his "note for note" version of the Kid With the Rip in his Pants solo. Viva Joaquin!!! Billy |
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Herb Steiner
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Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 3:03 pm
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Glad this stuff is appreciated! 
Billy, from the videos of Murph I've seen and from listening to his solos, he occasionally changed necks during a performance. In Columbus, he definitely played the first section on C6 and the solo after the accordion ride was on E13.
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Roy Thomson
From:
Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 3:15 pm
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While learning back in the mid 50's I was not
aware of Joaquin or his playing. It is only now that I am getting a listen to this
great talent,, thanks to you Herb and people
like Chas. Smith.
Happy New Year ! |
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frank rogers
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 5:58 pm
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| Thanks Herb, great stuff. BTW, If you see Howard Kalish, tell him I said hey. [This message was edited by frank rogers on 31 December 2003 at 06:00 PM.] |
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billchav
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Houston, TX USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 7:23 pm
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Thanks Herb, that really brings back old memories. Deacon Anderson seems to be about the only person still playing that style at the various shows. Looking forward to seeing you again at the Texas show in March.
Bill |
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Kerry Wood
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Tucson, Arizona, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 9:20 pm
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Herb, I don't know you, but I sure have enjoyed and appreciated the MP3's on your website. Thanks for taking the time and effort to share these great clips that I would have no knowledge of or opportunity to hear of otherwise.
Kerry |
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John McGann
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Boston, Massachusetts, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 9:24 pm
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WOW!
Thanks, Herb- this forum is a damned good education! |
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Michael Johnstone
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Sylmar,Ca. USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 3:28 am
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Al Johnson
From:
Sturgeon Bay, WI USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 6:07 am
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thank you, really enjoyed the music as well as the pictures you do great sharing. I'm sure everybody who sees and hears will really appreciate Mr. Murphy and all the other fine musicians on these recordings.
Again thank you. Al |
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Aaron Garrett
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Roslindale, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 6:42 am
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| Thank you for so much the clips. That tone is incredible! |
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 6:51 am
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| Wow. I've heard a lot of Murph solos but wow. I think I'll go bury my guitars in the back yard now. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 7:20 am
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I thank everyone for the compliments. As Michael J. and Chas Smith undoubtedly know, Murph would be incredibly flattered and touched by this outpouring of admiration, and also slightly confounded by it; from my conversations with him, its seems he really didn't think all that much of the stuff he did back in the 40's and wondered why everyone made such a big deal out of his style. He seemed to prefer his later chordal work with pedals.
The clips I put on the page, to my knowledge, are commercially unavailable except to a group of collectors of this type of material. Andy Parker and the Plainsmen have especially been overlooked by the vast majority of commercial archivists.
Which brings me to this point. There is a lot of stuff with Joaquin on it that is commercially available, from early performances with Tex and Spade, through his last recordings made by Michael Johnstone and available through the Forum catalog. I urge all Forumites interested in this stuff to buy the commercially available recordings. THE MORE THIS MUSIC GETS SOLD, THE MORE INCENTIVE THE RECORD COMPANIES HAVE TO FIND AND RELEASE MORE OF IT.
I believe that a great reissue project would be the mid-50's Decca Dance-O-Rama series... whoever owns the masters, or Bear Family. This series featured 8-cut 10" LPs by Spade Cooley with Murphey, Billy Gray with Bobby Koefer, Tex Williams with Wayne Burdick (whatever happened to Wayne Burdick?}, and Bob Wills with Vance Terry. Currently these albums are in the collector's clutches, and they can cherish the vinyl; I want this stuff remastered and available on CD.
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Texas Steel Guitar Association
[This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 01 January 2004 at 07:28 AM.] |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 8:07 am
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| You said it,Herb! Thank you for making these cuts available to be heard on your site. There have been Wills and Cooley reissues but a specific "Joaquin Murphey" retrospective is long overdue. I fear, however, that it will be unlikely to interest any but a fan-based label. It'll have to be someone like Bruce Clarke in Australia. His Hawaiian reissues set the standard for archival CD re-releases because he understands the music so well and cares passionately about it. It's a huge commitment of time, enegy and money for very little financial return. Very few are willing to make that commitment. a few years back, Ry Cooder was talking about wanting to record with Joaquin and Roy Rogers. It's a shame that didn't happen as it would have added fuel to the fire for a more commercial re-release of Murph's work. [This message was edited by Andy Volk on 01 January 2004 at 08:09 AM.] |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 9:27 am
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| If anybody is interested and assuming that Herb has no objections, I have a relatively small file of just the solos from this---reduced to 96kb. I'll email it to any requests. I also have a half speed reduction that sounds a bit funky but can also be sent. |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 9:51 am
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Thanx for the Education Herb
Happy New Year ! |
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Aaron Garrett
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Roslindale, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 10:00 am
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Jon,
If Herb has no objections I would love to get a copy of bothe condensed solo file and the 1/2 speed file.
Thanks,
Aaron Garrett |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 10:19 am
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Guys, this is the Internet and you can do whatever you like with these cuts. So feel free.
Allow me to voice my artistic opinion as to Jon's generous offer. My feeling is this: I regard the music I post on my website as entire creations; vocals, lyrics, as well as solos. To simply isolate a solo without it being in context of the entire performance is to me somewhat sacrilegious. Like making a copy of Mona Lisa's hairline but ignoring the rest of the painting.
Of course, for the purposes of learning a solo, isolation is advantageous. But somewhere the entire performance should exist. Back in the early 60's, when I was a bluegrasser, a bunch of us collected tapes of live 'grass performances. I was a mandolin player and somewheres I got a tape of live Jesse McReynolds and Bobby Osborne solos, excerpted from performances. It always struck me as somewhat "wrong."
I'm sure many guys have already downloaded the tunes I provide. Why not just download the entire song, make Herb happy , and then do whatever you want to with a copy?
POSTSCRIPT: I just realized that many of y'all are on dial-up connections and that the transfer rate can be ridiculously slow and crash-prone. So in that situation, Jon's offer is a very nice gesture, indeed.
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Texas Steel Guitar Association
[This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 01 January 2004 at 10:22 AM.] |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 10:30 am
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| Herb---I am with you 100% regarding the artistic integrity of the whole. I do in fact have dial-up and downloads are painfully slow but in fact I hadn't even considered that for some people my offer was to be in lieu of the full download----I had just spent a few minutes doing this for myself as a study aid and it occurred to me that maybe some others could use it. I repeat--I couldn't agree more that this is music, not parlor tricks and a song is a song, not a collection of individual magic acts. Thanks again, Herb. |
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 8:54 pm
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| Now that's the way to single string an up tempo solo. |
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Aaron Garrett
From:
Roslindale, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2004 6:12 am
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Agreed, but as someone who's spent a lot of time learning Don Reno parts off of records, as well as Bobby Osborne parts, I gotta say there's a lot of utility in having the solos 1/2 speed. Thank you Jon, and thank you Herb for this great education.
Is Murphey's later work in a very different style from the wonderful cuts you've posted on your site? Or does it just have more chordal playing? I'm considering buying the CD but I want to be sure what I'm getting into.
Thanks again.[This message was edited by Aaron Garrett on 02 January 2004 at 06:12 AM.] |
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Jay Ganz
From:
Out Behind The Barn
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Posted 2 Jan 2004 7:58 am
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| Truly amazing stuff!!! Can't beat it!!! |
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Bob Stone
From:
Gainesville, FL, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2004 10:12 am
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Herb, thanks for posting this great music. I'm with you 100% on patronizing the labels that produce re-issue CDs and am glad you mentioned enjoying the music in context--that makes all the difference.
Thanks again for sharing this incredible music.
Best,
Bob |
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