Going Back A Long Way
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Any of you recall vocalist Ernie Lee?
He worked WLW Cincinnati and WJRB Detroit...and Jerry Byrd was the featured steel guitarist with him during Jerrys earlier days.
Did Ernie play the accordian? I've just detected an accordian in several of his older tunes....... Just curious?
Jimmy Dean, Smokey Rogers, Pee Wee King and the brothers that played for awhile with Eddy Arnold..........plus the fellow that currently plays with the Riders in the Sky are the few that come to mind.
He worked WLW Cincinnati and WJRB Detroit...and Jerry Byrd was the featured steel guitarist with him during Jerrys earlier days.
Did Ernie play the accordian? I've just detected an accordian in several of his older tunes....... Just curious?
Jimmy Dean, Smokey Rogers, Pee Wee King and the brothers that played for awhile with Eddy Arnold..........plus the fellow that currently plays with the Riders in the Sky are the few that come to mind.
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Never knew what he played, if anything, but I
never knew those two til they were on WLW!
Milton De Lugg played nice accordion with Spade Colley, didn't he? and then went on to greater things. Time Jumpers have a fine accordionist (he's not going to be happy I can't think of his name @ the moment) with their group! He got some of his music education @ SUNY Fredonia, where Bobbe's Dad
had the first stage band! (just about the time Bobbe was born!)
never knew those two til they were on WLW!
Milton De Lugg played nice accordion with Spade Colley, didn't he? and then went on to greater things. Time Jumpers have a fine accordionist (he's not going to be happy I can't think of his name @ the moment) with their group! He got some of his music education @ SUNY Fredonia, where Bobbe's Dad
had the first stage band! (just about the time Bobbe was born!)
I grew up listening to the odlMidwestern Hayride. I beleive the Accordian player was a fellow with the last name of "Ross".I well remember Jerry Byrd and the " Pleasant Valley Boys"It included Zeke Turner and Louis Ennis I beleive Freddie Langdon on fiddle. I was inspired by Jerry and still remember those"Wa Wa" blues and he took his little finger to WaWa the volume. I also beleive Jay Nease was around then. The M.C was Willie Thaw. Those were the Days . Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works.
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Ed, Tommy Jackson was fiddling with the Pleasant Valley boys when I met Jerry @ WLW studios in the spring 1949. I can remember Buddy Ross now that you mention his name. Later on TV I used to see the Midwestern Hayride & I think Chuck Rich was the steel man...really nice. He played the Lexington show one year I went to it.....1995??
Ernie Lee was really Ernie "Lee" Cornelison. He died a few years back but before he passed on he made a trip to Hawaii to see Jerry and talk of the old times they had together. This was shortly before his death. Jerry said they had a great time remembing the good ole days together.
Four 78 singles the Happy Valley Boys with GERRY Byrd and the others mentioned above are:
Home Coming Time in Happy Valley and I'll Never Leave Old Dixieland Again; My Little Grass Shack and Sophisticated Lady; Renfro Valley Home and Hop Along Peter; You Don't Love Me and Weeping Willow Valley. All on Bluebird records.
For those of you who may not know Jerry's given name is Gerald. He first went to Gerry and then Jerry.
I too do not believe that Ernie ever played an accordian.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Jack Byrd on 26 July 2002 at 08:55 AM.]</p></FONT>
Four 78 singles the Happy Valley Boys with GERRY Byrd and the others mentioned above are:
Home Coming Time in Happy Valley and I'll Never Leave Old Dixieland Again; My Little Grass Shack and Sophisticated Lady; Renfro Valley Home and Hop Along Peter; You Don't Love Me and Weeping Willow Valley. All on Bluebird records.
For those of you who may not know Jerry's given name is Gerald. He first went to Gerry and then Jerry.
I too do not believe that Ernie ever played an accordian.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Jack Byrd on 26 July 2002 at 08:55 AM.]</p></FONT>
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Thanks to everyone for your responses and for getting this old man's perspective in order. Your comments are much appreciated.
And to you Jack Byrd........ Is there ANYONE in the whole wide WORLD that might have a copy of the Pleasant Valley Boys recordings?
That would certainly be a great "sample" to have of Gerald's early playing.
Really appreciate your input on this as well as all of your other informative and factual posts about the GREAT ONE!
Please keep 'em coming. I'd forgotten Ernie's given name. It's so nice that they got the opportunity to share some time together. I feel Ernie had a voice that was of the same quality and greatness that Foley and a few others shared.
And to you Jack Byrd........ Is there ANYONE in the whole wide WORLD that might have a copy of the Pleasant Valley Boys recordings?
That would certainly be a great "sample" to have of Gerald's early playing.
Really appreciate your input on this as well as all of your other informative and factual posts about the GREAT ONE!
Please keep 'em coming. I'd forgotten Ernie's given name. It's so nice that they got the opportunity to share some time together. I feel Ernie had a voice that was of the same quality and greatness that Foley and a few others shared.
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Ray: While we are back this far, I have had a song stuck in my head for almost 50 years. I have always wanted to know more about it but Korea and the USAF kept it on a back shelf for me.
The singer was Dolph Hewitt (sp??) and the song was titled: The Gods Were Angry With Me.
I knew the words for years but they are mostly gone now and I recall there was steel guitar on it but I no longer have those sounds or a name for the guitarist in my head. Any ideas ??
Also, anybody know what happened to Jerry Wallace ?? He always featured a terrific steel interpetation on his recordings. The song I remember best by him was Primrose Lane. I don't think I ever heards it mentioned as to who played that steel work. I just always figured it was BE because it was so good.
Regards, Paul <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Paul Graupp on 27 July 2002 at 08:17 AM.]</p></FONT>
The singer was Dolph Hewitt (sp??) and the song was titled: The Gods Were Angry With Me.
I knew the words for years but they are mostly gone now and I recall there was steel guitar on it but I no longer have those sounds or a name for the guitarist in my head. Any ideas ??
Also, anybody know what happened to Jerry Wallace ?? He always featured a terrific steel interpetation on his recordings. The song I remember best by him was Primrose Lane. I don't think I ever heards it mentioned as to who played that steel work. I just always figured it was BE because it was so good.
Regards, Paul <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Paul Graupp on 27 July 2002 at 08:17 AM.]</p></FONT>
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Jim Reeves had a recording of (The Gods Were Angry with me). I could get the words for you, if it is the same song and the one you want. Also, does anyone remember who the girl was that sang with Zeke Turner? I have been trying to think of Zeke's name for a long time. I'm glad someone remembered. I always liked to hear them when I was a kid.
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HI there!
The first I ever heard of Jerry Wallace was when his "record" kept playing over and over again on the jukebox (payola?) in this roadside diner in which no one could be found to wait on the lone customer.... I believe it was an episode of Rod Serling's
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The Gods were angry with me, for loving you....
The Gods were angry with me, because they knew...
I stood at Heaven's portal...and that was too high...
For any mortal, such as I.
So then they took down the sun, the skies were gray...
and the howlin' winds took you away...
and there was nothing I could do or I could say,..
It was because the God's were angry with me.
JERRY BYRD does a fabulous "backup" during Ernie Lee's recitation in the middle part......like Jerry did so well. It was so emotional, it would bring tears to your eyes.
Ernie Lee did, as did Eddie Kirk on Capital. Altho' I have several older Dolph Hewitt 78's, I have no knowledge who the steel player might be. Originally, I tho't it was JB...but later determined it was likely not the master.
I can get you the remainder of the words for above....should you desire. Those are I could remember at this sitting.
Zeke Turner's brother Zeb Turner cut a couple of records also featuring Jerry Byrd.
At about the same time JB was recording with Louis Innis and others there at WLW, JB recorded a couple of tunes with JUDY PERKINS and I'm wondering if she might have been the vocalist you were thinking about.
The first I ever heard of Jerry Wallace was when his "record" kept playing over and over again on the jukebox (payola?) in this roadside diner in which no one could be found to wait on the lone customer.... I believe it was an episode of Rod Serling's
...........
The Gods were angry with me, for loving you....
The Gods were angry with me, because they knew...
I stood at Heaven's portal...and that was too high...
For any mortal, such as I.
So then they took down the sun, the skies were gray...
and the howlin' winds took you away...
and there was nothing I could do or I could say,..
It was because the God's were angry with me.
JERRY BYRD does a fabulous "backup" during Ernie Lee's recitation in the middle part......like Jerry did so well. It was so emotional, it would bring tears to your eyes.
Ernie Lee did, as did Eddie Kirk on Capital. Altho' I have several older Dolph Hewitt 78's, I have no knowledge who the steel player might be. Originally, I tho't it was JB...but later determined it was likely not the master.
I can get you the remainder of the words for above....should you desire. Those are I could remember at this sitting.
Zeke Turner's brother Zeb Turner cut a couple of records also featuring Jerry Byrd.
At about the same time JB was recording with Louis Innis and others there at WLW, JB recorded a couple of tunes with JUDY PERKINS and I'm wondering if she might have been the vocalist you were thinking about.
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Sounds like: My wife ran away with my best friend Jim ! I don't miss her but I do miss him.<SMALL> Texas Jim ! I recorded with him....</SMALL>
Jody; you got some old things flippin' around in my head. I don't know what the song was that Montanna Slim did but something of his had a nice steel part on it and I recall it getting my attention probably when I was 15 or 16. If that was you than my hats off to you matey !! We've met long before we knew !!
Ray: Those lyrics are fine for now. I'm not going to try and resurrect the song, I just wanted to set my memory straight. Like the nice time we all had over a year ago with a thread titled The One Rose, this one is doing the same things for us. Nice old memories and for those who aren't old enough to share with us, you will some day. You'll have a lot of old things you will recall fondly from your present musical work. It never ends. The leaves come down in the fall and the buds come back in the spring.
That's just the way it is.........
Regards, Paul
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If the steel sounded good,,,it wasn't me.
Texas Jim was a nice man,,he took his own life years back,. Wilf Carter and Montana Slim were one and the same person.
Ray is so old "How Old Is He"?? Ray is so old
he played with Paul Whiteman when Whiteman was starting out and then he played with Rudy Vallee,,,,didnt you Ray....get the Geritol,,,it works
If the steel sounded good,,,it wasn't me.
Texas Jim was a nice man,,he took his own life years back,. Wilf Carter and Montana Slim were one and the same person.
Ray is so old "How Old Is He"?? Ray is so old
he played with Paul Whiteman when Whiteman was starting out and then he played with Rudy Vallee,,,,didnt you Ray....get the Geritol,,,it works
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Ray, thanks for taking us back. I read an article about Jerry getting his first steel-he said he ordered it from Spiegel and went to pick it up on a bike but didn' remember how he got it home! He wrote about getting up at 2:00 in the morning to practice. He also mentioned a gentleman who operated a local guitar school who assisted him in getting " THE RICKENBACKER". He said his parents were a little disappointed when he first brought it home as they then knew music would be his career choice. Mr. Jack Byrd did the author quote Jerry correctly?
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I just have to say how much I enjoy eavesdropping on the older fellers reminiscing. So great to hear Jerry Byrd referred to as the master. I recognize quite a few of the names mentioned, like Zeb and Zeke Turner, who were wonderful, monstrous guitar players. I know of them from numerous King recordings, especially the Delmore Bros boogie woogie numbers. I'll go back to listening at the door.
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Zeb Turner played in Sudbury Ontario, in Canada in the sixties at the Townhouse Hotel, where I was in the house band with Bill Long. He played a Martin solid-body electric guitar with a natural wood finish. I have not seen one before or since. He was one smooth player. I stole two jokes from him that I use to this day.
Like the spider said when he walked across the mirror, "That's another way of looking at it!"
Like the skunk said when the wind shifted,"It all comes back to me now!"<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Andy Greatrix on 31 July 2002 at 07:26 PM.]</p></FONT>
Like the spider said when he walked across the mirror, "That's another way of looking at it!"
Like the skunk said when the wind shifted,"It all comes back to me now!"<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Andy Greatrix on 31 July 2002 at 07:26 PM.]</p></FONT>
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