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Andrew Brown
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2002 7:14 pm |
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| Somebody was mentioning Vance here recently...it's a terrible crime that all of his 4-Star recordings w/Billy Jack Wills have never been reissued (only one)...for anybody who is an admirer of his, I urge you to do whatever it takes to find those 78s...Vance's solo on "Down in Old Mexico" is one of the most awesome things you'll ever hear! |
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Mike Black
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New Mexico, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2002 8:03 pm
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Jimmy Douglas
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Raceview, Queensland, Australia
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Posted 16 Jan 2002 12:24 am
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I always liked Vance's effort on 4/5 times (what a tone!)and Brown Skin Gal or Lone Star Rag (I forget)with Bob Wills on an orange Charley label LP. I reckon my fave solos with Billy Jack are the jazz me blues and Cindy....too much. The BJWills band with Tiny Moore...oh man what a great band
BTW, If anyone can put me on to other recordings featuring Vance I would be way very happy to shell out for a copy of a tape or CD or whatever.
You guessed it...I am a Vance Terry fan.
PS: Hi Mike |
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Chris Forbes
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Beltsville, MD, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2002 4:11 am
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| If you're looking for other Vance Terry stuff. I can highly recommend the Jimmy Rivers cd of live stuff from the 23 club. I found it on either CDNOW.COM or Amazon, I forget which, but one of them should have it. I really enjoy that album. |
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Andrew Brown
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2002 5:05 am
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| The Billy Jack Wills CD in Europe has only one of the 4-Star sides, "Roped and Tied." The rest are MGM sides, KFBK transcriptions and vocals he did w/the TX Playboys. |
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Jason Odd
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Stawell, Victoria, Australia
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Posted 16 Jan 2002 7:34 am
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If it's the one I'm thinking of.. then the term semi-legal CD reissue might apply.
Mike, I couldn't agree more in your assessment of the Billy Jack Wills band, what a group. I feel that if they'd been on a label like Capitol or appeared on something like Cliffie Stone's show as semi-regulars then they would have been huge. A real crossover band that would been in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, like Bill Haley And The Comets, that sort of thing. |
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Ian McLatchie
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Sechelt, British Columbia
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Posted 17 Jan 2002 7:55 pm
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| It seems every few months there's a thread of this sort, started either by someone who's just discovered Vance Terry or a longtime fan sharing his enthusiasm. Still, it's remarkable how little he's known compared to a number of the other great steel players. That's a great shame, because he's simply an astonishing musician. Anyone who doesn't have the Joaquin CD's of Vance with Wills and Rivers should do themselves a big favor. Vance with Tiny Moore and Vance with Jimmie Rivers are both among the best one-two punches on record. |
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Paul Graupp
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Macon Ga USA
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Posted 17 Jan 2002 8:42 pm
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When Vance died and the Forum covered the entire story, I really got knocked for a loop and it took me a long time to get things back into their proper places. The part about his hands near the end was more than I could endure. I have always placed an inappropriate value on my hands because of my playing. I kept finding myself in his place because there but for the Grace of God go I. I get upset over a hang nail so what would I do if worse were to happen. I honestly do not know !! 
Regards, Paul |
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Jason Odd
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Stawell, Victoria, Australia
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Posted 18 Jan 2002 7:55 am
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Tell me about it Paul, when I was at art school (yes..but don't ask), I saw an eighteen year old fellow student run her had along a lino print then right under the printing press!
Man, I'm not going to describe it fully, but imagine your fingers and the bulk of your hand compressed between two fixed metal rollers with less than one half of a centimetre of space.
I quit the printing dept. that day, while I might add that I never saw her again and I still had another couple of years of schooling.[This message was edited by Jason Odd on 18 January 2002 at 07:57 AM.] |
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Andrew Brown
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2002 10:51 am
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| Does anybody in this forum provide notations of steel solos (for a reasonable fee)? I'd really love to see what some of Vance's solos look like written down, especially "Down in Old Mexico." |
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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Posted 18 Jan 2002 3:37 pm
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| Ah Vance .... what a sad life story; makes me sad just thinking about him. What a musician! I first heard of Vance from Lee Jeffries, of Big Sandy & the Fly-Rite Boys. Lee told me Vance was one of the most amazing steel players he'd ever heard and he felt really bad that Vance was virtually unknown. His solo with Jimmy Rivers on "It's a sin to tell a lie" is etched in my memory forever. I prefer to think of him as that smiling kid in a western shirt in the photos with Billy Jack Will's band. |
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Russ Wever
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Kansas City
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Bill Cunningham
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Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2002 3:58 pm
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When I was a kid, my dad introduced me to western swing. I bought a reissue LP album of Wills tunes on Vocalion(sp?.)in the late 60's. Its titled "Western Swing Along". Vance is all over this one.
One of the many highlights of my commuting to the Bay area a few years ago was meeting Vance.
If anyone wants a copy of this album, I'll be glad to dig it out and make one. Just E-mail me.
Bill C.
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Carter D-10 8+9, BCT, TPPP
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jay thompson
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east peoria, il USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2002 4:47 pm
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Say Bill, your E-mail address failed.
Jay Thompson
jdt6241@cs.com[This message was edited by jay thompson on 18 January 2002 at 04:48 PM.] |
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Bill Cunningham
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Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2002 9:42 am
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I need to update my profile. It had my old company address. Myself and about 47,999 other folks are no longer employed by that Canadian telecom manufacturer that asked you "what do you want the internet to be" 
My home address is billcunn@bellsouth.net
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Carter D-10 8+9, BCT, TPPP
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 19 Jan 2002 11:23 am
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Russ
Thanks for posting that link. I had never read the full story, though I knew that Vance was a mess when he died, and had been for a long time. Chilling, and without a doubt the saddest yet of the "deceased heros" stories.
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Herb's Steel Guitar Pages
Texas Steel Guitar Association
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Jimmy Douglas
From:
Raceview, Queensland, Australia
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Posted 19 Jan 2002 6:30 pm
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Hi all,
Chris and Andy, I am right with you re; Brisbane bop! The mostest. Slow Boat, All your fault,Tippin in and IMO the hippest take on Steelin home, as Ian put it astonishing. Jimmy Rivers and Vance really took the "two of a kind" thing to another level. The synergy on After You Gone is sublime.
I love the way with Bob Wills and others how those Herb R, Vance and Bobby Koeffer solos are like little compositions within the confines of the routine. That "playfullness" in the playing is a sure trip to smilesville especially for the listener. Not a thing I much now. Tiny and JR. Barnard come to mind on this theme. Bob Wills sure could pick em!
Andrew, I know "Lion" Kobayashi in Tokyo does band arrangements and very accurate transcriptions of Hawaiian and other steel things for a fee. He charges per page (16 bars per page) which have music and tab for the tuning the piece was recorded on. It helps to let him know the tuning and be patient as he gets busy with this kind of work. He would probably relish the challenge of transcribing some of Vance's work though I feel the Bigsby era Vance would pose fewer pedal combination and position interpretive hurdles.
"Lion" has a web page where he offers a selection from over 300 hawaiian and other tunes for pedal and non he has already transcribed. They can be pricey if you buy the bar by bar lesson tape as well but if you were ordering from the States the FX scene is in your favour. The page is in Japanese at the mo but one can pick up the gist and I think he will be adding an English translation soon. BTW, his Memories of Hawaii CD has some very Jazzy steel not WS though.
http://www.kt.rim.or.jp/~k_lion_k/
It would be great to see a style folio of classic WS steel solos like the books devoted to Wes and other great guitarists. One cool thing in Japan is the abundance of transcriptions Jazz guit and horn and piano etc, strangely they are all limited for sale in Japan.....why?
Bill, thanks for the offer for the Swing along album, I will send you a mail. Can anyone direct me to the 4 star cuts?
Jimmy
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Jimmy Douglas
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Raceview, Queensland, Australia
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Posted 19 Jan 2002 6:48 pm
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Sorry all,
Sunday morning goin down.....! that should read..........That "playfullness"in the playing is a sure trip to smilesville especially for the listener. Not a thing I HEAR much now.
............. probably relish the challenge of transcribing some of Vance's work though I
feel the Bigsby era Vance would pose fewer INTERPRETIVE HURDLES.
Anon,
Jimmy
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Andrew Brown
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2002 6:59 pm
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Jimmy, thanks for the tip. Do you have any idea how much he charges per page? I'd actually like to have several of Vance's solos transcribed but "Old Mexico" is #1.
I have three of the four 4-Star 78s. I'd be glad to burn them on CD for anyone who wants them. Better yet, if any of you have the patience for denoising and have some good software, why don't I send a CD to you and then we can send the 'cleaned up' versions to interested parties? The 78s I have are mint but still pretty noisy, with hiss and everything. |
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Jimmy Douglas
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Raceview, Queensland, Australia
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Posted 19 Jan 2002 8:54 pm
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Andrew,
I don't know the exact ammount for him to do a fresh transcriptions but he is selling the existing ones for 600yen a page(about US3.50). I would be happy to find out for you.
If I had a recording and an idea of which tuning Vance used on the cut I could get him to give a firm price. I know Vance's tuning are in the forum archive.
I would love to hear the 4 star sides in any condition and more than happy to pay the costs in cash or kind for your effort. The "cleaning up" idea is a good one but alas I would not be much help as my computer skills are very lame and I think my computer still has a horseshoe pickup!! I might be able to find someone in Japan who would come to the party with the software and skills if that would help. Here is my mail
jwcd@dmail.plala.or.jp
Jimmy
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Paul Graupp
From:
Macon Ga USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2002 10:59 pm
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Jimmy; Did "LION ever go by the Nickname, "CATS" ? That name has crossed my path before but not as Lion.
Regards, Paul |
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Jimmy Douglas
From:
Raceview, Queensland, Australia
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Posted 20 Jan 2002 2:13 am
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Hi Paul,
I thought the same thing but it turns out they are two guys. Katz Kobayashi is I think a US based pedal and dobro player and worked with Marty Robbins for a long time.
Kiyoshi "Lion" Kobayashi is Tokyo based and is primarily a Hawaiian style pedal and Triple 8 player. He often goes to Hawaii and has been a guest at Jerry Byrd shows and other steel events in Hawaii for many years.
He still plays piano, his main gig, nightly in Ginza and has a Hawaiian nite once a month at the same club (Barbra) where he plays a single 8 with a lever that allows up to 8 different tunings. I went once and it was a gas to just call out a request and have it played. Marvelous playing in an intimate setting but expensive....that's Japan for you.
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Jimmy |
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Peter Dollard
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Posted 22 Jan 2002 9:27 am
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| I saw Vance at the Western Swing Society monthly meeting in the late eighties. I remember carrying his amp out to his car( a new looking Honda Accord) and thinking "This guys not like all those other dudes who have nothing to show for their years". On another occasion he stayed around the place I was playing and invited me to play at the Swing Society. I was floored since I wasn't very impressed with my performance that night. Fast Foward to 1999 at one of Big Jim Barron's steel jams. Vance comes in and sits at a steel; it was kind of like a computer with a broken hard drive; he would play a touch of this a touch of that and kind of shake his head as if it just wouldn't come. It was devastatingly awkward to me to see this guy whose records blazed with so much fire reduced to trying to show what he could once do. I in no way mean this disrespectfully but I am not going to sugarcoat what is truly a sad tale. A tale of a guy who for whatever reasons couldn't deal with himself in a positive way....Pete. |
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