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Posted: **16 Oct 2001 9:10 am**

Not long ago there was an in depth discussion concerning this. I tried finding it in the archives with no luck. Any help please?

Posted: **16 Oct 2001 3:30 pm**

I think this is the one you're looking for, RC...
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum1/HTML/013370.html

Posted: **16 Oct 2001 4:42 pm**

Thanks Donny but the one I was looking for included substitution chords as passing chords etc. any memory of this?

Posted: **16 Oct 2001 5:25 pm**

RC, simply stated, substitution chords are chords that share notes that are the 3rd and 7th of either of them. For instance: C7 has E and Bb as the 3rd and 7th respectively, F#7 has E and Bb(A#) as the 7th and 3rd so they substitute for each other. The easy rule is dominants a tritone (b5) apart sub for each other.

Relative minors substitute for their major: A-7 subs for Cmaj and E-7 subs for Cmaj7 and Gmaj.
Passing chords are chords of lesser importance that connect the important chords, like chords in a 'walkdown'. The important chords are the one where it started and the one where it ended.

An example of substitute dominants would be a VI-II-V-I turnaround in C: ( C A7->D7->G7->C ). C6 normal set up: 12 13(5ped)->12(5ped)->11(5ped)->12. Which is also C Eb7 D7 Db7 C.

Posted: **17 Oct 2001 1:22 pm**

Thanks guys. I'll try making some sense out of it.

Posted: **17 Oct 2001 3:35 pm**

Maybe these were the threads you were thinking of, R.C. The idea of understanding the harmonized major scale is particularly important.
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/002865.html

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Posted: **17 Oct 2001 3:56 pm**

Sorry. I was trying to get this one up there , too:

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/002573.html

Posted: **17 Oct 2001 5:45 pm**

RC, it's a lot easier than it looks and Jeff is right, it really helps to know about scales and what's in them.

Posted: **17 Oct 2001 6:51 pm**

A great big THANKS to all of you. Those were the exact threads I was referring to. On my way to learning even more!!

Posted: **18 Oct 2001 12:24 pm**

Reece has several tunes in his "Smart Tab" (highly recommended)series that really helps to understand subs, passing tones, etc- especially using his "Bubble Chart" in the back of each tabbed song. He has you chart out what's already identified as a sub and it becomes real obvious that there are tons of chords that can be used as subs for others.

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