Sacred Steel Fellas !

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 8 Aug 2001 11:39 pm

I know you guys have computers and read this thing so go ahead and register !

This will be a more interesting and valuable place with some different imput.

Bob[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 09 August 2001 at 10:53 AM.]

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 9 Aug 2001 7:43 am

Bob...do you really think they would want to associate with us blabbering "heathens"?

( Whoops, there I go "cluttering" again!!!

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Frank Estes · Post by **Frank Estes** » 9 Aug 2001 7:48 am

Bob, with all due respect, you do not have a clue. If you are around when I play my next gig, then I *might* let you carry in my steel for me.

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RickRichtmyer · Post by **RickRichtmyer** » 9 Aug 2001 7:49 am

Yeah Bob, Good Idea!

Allow me to second that invite!

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Michael Holland · Post by **Michael Holland** » 9 Aug 2001 8:03 am

you Sacred Steel players actually play the pedalsteel

Bob, I don't know you or how well you play. But even if I heard you play and it was at a mediocre level, I would find something positive to say. To summarily dismiss the abilities of the many fine players that thoughtfully contribute to this forum says much more about your character than it says about our musicianship.

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Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 9 Aug 2001 8:04 am

Play nice, children

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Bob Carlson · Post by **Bob Carlson** » 9 Aug 2001 8:07 am

Bob,
I don't understand the point of your statement for sure. Because I started out In the late forty's on a dobro and standard, and have only been playing steel for 3&1/2 years, I shouldn't post or reply to anything!!!!!!.
And I've came a lot farther on the steel In 3&1/2 years than I did the standard.
But I also would like to invite the Gospel Steelers to feel welcome. The pedal steel and Gospel music blend very well.

Bob Carlson

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Paul Graupp · Post by **Paul Graupp** » 9 Aug 2001 8:14 am

Some people think that scales and chords have no value or concern for steel guitar.
Small wonder that our day to day small talk and chatter betweens friends, is also beyond their comprehension.

Best to leave sleeping dogs lie ! (spelling intended.)

Post by **b0b** » 9 Aug 2001 9:29 am

Before anyone gets too bent out of shape, notice the smiley face at the end of Bob's post. No insult was intended, I'm sure.

Lonnie Bennett is the only Sacred Steeler that I recognize on the Forum. I know that the Campbells read it (Chuck told me so), but they aren't members as far as I know.

I'm in the process of putting the E7th Sacred Steel tuning on the front neck of my Williams. It would really be nice to be able to get some tips from you guys online. My last post about it in the Pedal Steel section went totally unanswered.

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Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 9 Aug 2001 9:35 am

hey, b0b
Did you get that hat from Herby Wallace?

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Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 9 Aug 2001 10:01 am

I'm sorry if I offended any of you guys.

I were trying to make joke.

I don't think of myself as much of a steel player and I make a point of not judging other players because it makes me notice how crappy I play.

Your fellow blabbermouth, Bob

Paul Graupp · Post by **Paul Graupp** » 9 Aug 2001 10:34 am

bOb: I'm sorry ! I went back and looked for the smiley face, but it wasn't there.....

Does the term Sacred Steelers only apply to this new Genre or does it also include people who are genuinely religious and also have a reverent regard for the music of the steel guitar ?

Some on this Forum who come to my mind would be; Gary Philips, Carl Dixon and Bob Stone.
I have only been here for six months but I already know and respect these folks for what they are. I won't put a label on them but I will always treat them with the dignity and respect they have earned.

I'm sorry that I can't say the same for the opener. It reads like it reads.

Regards, Paul

Larry Miller · Post by **Larry Miller** » 9 Aug 2001 11:27 am

Bob, I've a newfound respect for you, you have displayed humility, a very fine trait indeed! Larry
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Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 9 Aug 2001 12:33 pm

Bob has edited the post, removing the tongue-in-cheek comment and the smiley face.

"Sacred Steel" refers to the tradition of the Keith Dominion Holiness-Pentecostal church, which uses the steel as the primary musical instrument in its services. Hidden from the general public for decades, these players only recently surfaced into the popular culture via the efforts of forum member Bob Stone and Arhoolie Records.

The church insolated these players from the mainstream of steel guitar development. As a result, they evolved tunings and techniques that are radically different from what we are used to hearing.

Outside of Keith Dominion, the steel used in Christian music is heavily influenced by country (E9) or Hawaiian music. While you could call it "sacred" steel music, "country gospel" is the term I hear most often. I think we should encourage the use of the term "Sacred Steel" exclusively for steel that comes from the Keith Dominion-Pentecostal tradition.

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Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 9 Aug 2001 12:35 pm

Slight correction, b0b: it comes from both the Keith Dominion and the Jewel Dominion churches, which are related.

Sage · Post by **Sage** » 9 Aug 2001 1:06 pm

Keith dominion players outnumber the Jewel dominion players. The styles are different, the Jewel dominion sound has more chordal emphasis, with what Chuck Campbell calls a boogie style. The Keith dominion style was influenced by Henry Nelson, who combined strong rhythm and free ranging single string work. Calvin Cooke came from both disciplines, and has influenced both traditions as well. I'm no expert, so experts please correct me if I'm wrong.
I love to listen to both styles, but I'm more interested in learning the Jewel style for my own playing. I also like the distinction of "country gospel" from "sacred steel"- that sounds right. I too would love to see folks from the Sacred Steel community post here. Lonnie- come say "howdy", please.
T. Sage Harmos[This message was edited by Sage on 09 August 2001 at 02:14 PM.]

Bob Carlson · Post by **Bob Carlson** » 10 Aug 2001 1:40 pm

Bob,
Are you aware of the fact that you have more than likly stopped people from posting and replying with your statement In your post before you changed It. The part about people cluttering up the place. I'm sure a lot of people are saying....Is he refering to me? I don't know If you were refering to me or not, but I'm going to keep on keeping on. And I sure didn't see anything funny about It. I'm not mad....just don't understand what you were talking about.

Bob Carlson

Post by **b0b** » 10 Aug 2001 2:22 pm

Closed at author's request.