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Topic: 710's vs 10-1's |
thurlon hopper
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Elizabethtown Pa. USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2005 7:54 pm |
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| Just wondered if any of you have done a comparison of the Bill Lawrence 710 and the George L 10-1. Recently made a trade for a D-10 Carter w/ 710's and have noticed that the sound volume at the same volume pedal setting seems weaker with the 710's. They are very quiet, but at this time that isn't a major issue. The S-10 that i had semmed louder and more forceful than the D-10. How many of you still use 710"s? Thanks TJH |
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David Higginbotham
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Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2005 8:11 pm
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Although I am partial to Lawrence 705 and XR-16 pickups, I have to say in this particular comparison, I prefer the 10-1. I have tried the 710 and they just didn't have the range of sound that I like to hear. I am currently using 10-1's on my GFI.\
Dave
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2005 11:32 pm
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My Williams D-12X has a 712 on the front E9th and a 12-1 on the back C6th. The tone control only affects the the 712 because I knew that it would be too bright for some tunes.
The 712 is a louder pickup than the 12-1. I had to back it down away from the strings further to achieve a volume balance between the two.
I'm real happy with both pickups on this guitar.
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 26 Dec 2005 3:16 am
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The 710's are a "hot" pickup. If you are not getting the volume it may be the pickups are mis-adjusted. Generally, the 710's should be approx 3/8" from the strings. However, if the 710 is too close you will get distortion, because of the high gain pickup, and loose sustain.
I have the 710's on my Franklin and they work great. My Franklin originally had 705's on it but the 710's seem to have more definition or "string separation", but the tone is the same as the 705's. |
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John Fabian
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Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Dec 2005 3:29 am
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We quit offering 710's & 910's because they didn't sound good on Carters. The XR16's and George L's pickups are a far better choice on our guitars.
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Frank Parish
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Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2005 6:01 am
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Curt Langston
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Posted 26 Dec 2005 6:16 am
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| Lawrence makes the XR16. I believe the "XR" stands for Extended Range. |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2005 8:30 am
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I recently compared both of these in my Fessy. The 710 is a VERY high output pickup with lots of energy. Very clear and bright and "up front" sounding. Strong upper mids. I heard that the 710 is designed for use with passive volume pedals. That's why all the power and brightness. To be specific, the brightness isn't necessarily the high crispy stuff you'd get from an E66, it's more like bright upper midrange and treble, but not overly crispy at the very top.
The 10-1 is smoother, darker, and mellower. Rich midrange, more gentle top end. Full sounding. I like them both. I've got the 10-1 in an old '66 push/pull S-10 and it's a great match.
The 710 and my George L's EON pickup have been trading places recently in my fessy. I like both a lot. The EON is less "in your face" than the 710. The 710 does a better job of bringing out the subtleties of my sloppy picking. I can hide behind the EON a bit better 
Brad |
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John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Dec 2005 4:47 pm
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1 last time. Different guitars respond differently to different pickups.
Just because it sounds good on guitar A doesn't mean it will sound good or the same on guitar B or C. IE, what sounds good on a Fessy may not sound good on a Franklin or a Zum. Get it? |
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Jeff Peterson
From:
Nashville, TN USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2005 8:59 pm
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If the tone between a 710 and a 705 is the same to you, it is a result of other factors than the pickup. The pickups could not be more different in design and response. If they were the same, why would Bill only offer the 710 now and not his older design?
LXR-16 does not mean 'extended range'. It is actually a toned down version of the 710. It was designed specifically for the JCH which is not considered representative of a 'full bodied' guitar..which there are many types being made today. It attenuates the upper mids, (along with other certain frequencies), which therefore cuts the output making it friendlier to some players.
Brad, it is not that the 710 is stronger in the midrange, it is that you hadn't heard a pickup that was representing the midrange that your guitar actually puts out before.
Again, for everyone, the 710 does NOT accentuate any particular frequency...it represents the entire frequency your guitar is putting out...so, if you install a 710 in your guitar, set all your EQ's to flat, you will hear your guitar for what it is.
The beauty of Bill Lawrence's designs, is that your EQ settings will be far less drastic in both cut and boost than any other pickup you could install. Ask someone like Lloyd Green or Paul Franklin, the design is best and so is the quality and sound...ahh, volume pedal wide open..and no hiss or hum...gotta' love it! |
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