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Topic: EBAY Listing Removed !! Gretsch again ! |
Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 27 May 2004 9:06 am |
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I am selling..or was selling..a Jazzmaster bridge for my Telecaster and mentioned BIGSBY in the title , as folks use the Jazzmaster bridge for Telecaster Bigsby upgrades..and the Gretsch Police found it and had EBAY remove my listing..
The Gretsch Police are really getting wacky ain't they..
this is sick..and so are they..
Dogs..
maybe Rats...
If we recall a few weeks back someone on the Forum was selling a Gretsch owned licensed something or other and they cancelled his auction too..
Scalywags...
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 27 May 2004 9:12 am
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| Huh? You mean if you have a used Gretsch guitar for sale, you're not allowed to advertise that it's a Gretsch?? Can't be! |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 27 May 2004 9:26 am
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Actually you are allowed to sell your Gretsch guitar as long as it is a Gretsch Guitar..I read the EBAY Licensing policy which companies like Gretsch endorse and what they are trying to discourage is folks using there copyrighted names for items which are not connected to the brand name.
The Jazzmaster bridge is used as part of a Telecaster Bigsby upgrade..but it is not part of the licensed Bigsby product so they sent me back to the darkness ! I used the Bigsby name along with telecaster in the item title..which according to the lawyers at hand is a no no..
So I relisted it as part of the Telecaster
"Bigsbee" Upgrade !
I understand all this nonsense to mean you can phrase the title as:
For Sale Sho-Bud Parts
but not
Parts that can be used on a Sho-Bud...
I think these are the same guys that are extorting $20.80/mnth from the Pizza guy.
It makes no sense..I can buy a Jazzmaster bridge intended for a Telecaster Bigsby Upgrade..but I can't sell it if I'm not gonna use it !
Dawgs..
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Joey Ace
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 27 May 2004 4:59 pm
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It's quite simple, you can't use a company's copyrighted name to help sell something they had nothing to do with. Your Jazzmaster bridge has nothing to do with Bigsby, was never offered, used, or even recommended by Bigsby...but that's kinda what you were saying. 
I've noticed lately that sellers have been using the term "NOT" in their listings, such as...
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when they list similar-appearing merchandise. Maybe that's the "legal" way around it.
This whole explosion of "copyright awareness" has me quite worried. I keep thinking to myself..."Someone out there has probably copyrighted their farting sounds, and mine are almost exactly the same! Will I get sued for copyright infringement? They'll probably take me to court, and raise a big stink about it!"
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Rick McDuffie
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Benson, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 27 May 2004 7:36 pm
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The same thing happened to me... I had a Hofner bass to sell, and I innocently listed it with Rickenbacker and Gretsch in the header (to try and attract some Beatles fans [am I allowed to say Beatles, or should I spell it Beetles?]). It was taken off eBay forthwith.
At first it made me mad, since I meant no harm- I felt misunderstood. Then I got to thinking about it... what has apparently been happening is that bogus gear is being advertised as "Gretsch" or "Fender", etc. (I once had a customer stand in our store and call me a liar when I told him that his bass [which had an entirely different name on the headstock] wasn't a Fender. He believed it was, and didn't want to be confused with the facts.) You can't really blame the manufacturers for trying to keep people from claiming that a shoddily-built piece of gear is a REAL Gretsch, Gibson, etc. I think this is the purpose of this policy.
Joey, as long as that's a real Bigsby on your guitar, and it obviously is (very cool axe, by the way), you should be in the clear.
Rick
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 28 May 2004 12:31 am
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Donny..yes what you stated is exactly correct..but..
If you actually want to buy a Bigsby Upgrade ( B5 USA or B50 Korean) in the add for the Bigsby it recommends a Fender Mustang or Jazzmaster Bridge ! If you buy the entire packaged kit from Bigsby it comes with..yes thats right..A Jazzmaster or Mustang Bridge !
Considering that Bigsby does not even make a Bridge for a Telecster my feeling is, was ,still is ,that my add was actually a PLUG for Bigsby..and may have even resulted in a Sale of a B5 or B50 unit.
But I'm not a lawyer..so I have to play by there rules..which I'm ok with..I understand where they are coming from.
using the words "Not Fender".. "Not Gretsch" is still not legal..according to the written policies. Fender seems to be a bit more liberal/generous ..Gretsch is clearly more in the BIG BROTHER mode..It's the copyrighted search word that has them bugged out..
They don't want to have "BIGSBY" in the title only to learn that the seller is selling a home made something or other but using the factory name to draw attention to the item for sale..
"Tony's Custom way better than Bigsby vibrato Tailpiece for the Telecaster" on sale now for $.99 cents
I'm ok with it..
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Rick McDuffie
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Benson, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 28 May 2004 7:13 am
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Ahhh... resolution.  |
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Bill Crook
From:
Goodlettsville, TN , Spending my kid's inheritance
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Posted 30 May 2004 2:32 pm
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May the modern "Gretsch" Guitar outfit die a horrible death !!
It's a shame that a (use to be) wonderful Company has degenerated into such a money grubbin' bunch of fools.
I have followed the "Gretsch" Company for more tham 40 years. And thought it was my life's ambition to own a real "Gretsch" guitar. Sence I first heard "Chet Atkins" play and endorse this insturment, I've always wanted one. Now, over the past few years,I've heard so much bad and adverse stuff about "Gretsch", I'm more than willin' to stay with my "Gibson" Les Paul 6-string guitar.
All this is only my humble opinion.
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 30 May 2004 4:10 pm
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You really wanna' go out on a limb..I just purchased a Korean made Epiphone Wildkat..this after buying an Epiphone 335 for $200 a few weeks back off EBAY. ...incredibly awesome guitar.
The Wildkat is the smaller archtop semi hollow body in the fashion of the Gretsch's..Single cutawy and body maybe a bit larger than the Les Pauls..2- P90'a and a Bigsby tailpiece. Binding on the F holes, Body and neck..and best of all..This is one of the finest playing, sounding and constructed Electric Guitars I have ever owned. I have owned Gibson L-Pauls, 335's, Gretsch Tenn'eans..etc..this one has them all beat in the value for what you get catagory..and ..so does that 335 I bought.. hard to believe ..
If you see one in a store..just pick it up and give it a road test..you may not put it down..
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 30 May 2004 5:08 pm
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I agree Epi is making some real cool guitars, Tony.
I love their Scotty Moore style ES-295, and the John Lennon Acoustic Electric, both Gibson copies.
They have great pix at http://www.epiphone.com |
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Rick McDuffie
From:
Benson, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 31 May 2004 4:38 am
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The Epi stuff is made by Samick. If you REALLY want to find some value, buy one of the new Samick Greg Bennett guitars and then pay a good guitar tech to do a custom setup on it for you. It's Epiphone quality without having to pay for the Gibson connection. Samick makes virtually everything that says "Made In Korea," which is a bunch of stuff.
I used to play an "Austin" 335 knockoff (made for and sold by Kaman Music) that would rival the best Gibson 335 I've ever touched- fit and finish,, playability and sound was unsurpassed.
I will say this, though, and I'm not saying it JUST because we have some guitars to sell... the new Gretsch stuff is KILLER, and is as good as/better than the best Gretsch guitars of the 60's, which were pretty inconsistent. Modern CAD/CAM manufacturing methods have made the quality uniform, where it used to be a shot in the dark. They are, once again, great guitars... thanks to Fender's acquisition and support. Fender just has a winning team again... and ain't it great to see! |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 31 May 2004 5:18 am
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Rick,right you are an very true about the new Gretsch's.They are VERY nice..but..
as stated above about the 3rd world 335's and such..etc...
These 3rd world axes are every bit as playable ..no..make that even more playable..than many of the Ultra priced US counterparts. The Wildkat I spoke of above is every bit as good as any of the Ultra $$ Gretsch's I have played recently..and way better than my originals back in the "Pipe" years. I guess if ya gotta have that name brand on the headstock , then ya gotta pay the big bucks..but if you want an excellent playing and reasonably popular/marketable 3rd world relative..then you don't need to get them hi dollar guitars down from the top of the wall or rack..the ones' on the floor stands may just be the ticket. I can't believe I am endorsing these guitars..I never would have thought of them as anything other than 3rd world clones..until I got the Red 335 in the above photo( EBAY $200) It blew my mind..or at least whats left of it !
Happy Memorial Day..Although I was not in the Military..but if you were, thank you for your service.
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Rick McDuffie
From:
Benson, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 31 May 2004 1:07 pm
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| Agreed, Tony. That's a nice rack of guitars! |
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