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Topic: IV chord with V root in bass |
Greg Vincent
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Folsom, CA USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2003 9:09 am |
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Hi folks,
I dig the sound of the IV chord with the V's root in the bass as a sub for the V chord in a V-I resolution.
Should that be considered a V9sus4?
It has a very open, 'poppy' sound.
Have I been listening to my old Wings albums too much? 
-GV
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2003 9:30 am
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| You could think of it as another "4th structure" inversion. If it was an F chord with a G in the base, then the G-C-F is the 4th chord, the A is "color". |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2003 11:28 am
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| In practice, you would see G11, G9sus4, Dm7/G, and play them all the same. And F/G is almost the same but with no D note, which makes very little difference. |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2003 6:52 pm
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| If you don't sound the B or the D, how can it be a G anything? I'd call it F/G. |
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Jeff A. Smith
From:
Angola,Ind. U.S.A.
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Posted 22 Sep 2003 7:20 pm
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On standard guitar there's a common voicing that everybody would first associate with the designation F/G:
G bass note on 6th string, under a 1-3-5 non-inverted F major triad. [This message was edited by Jeff A. Smith on 22 September 2003 at 08:24 PM.] |
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Mike Sweeney
From:
Nashville,TN,USA
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 5:31 am
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| Here in Nashville most everyone calls that a four over five. |
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John McGann
From:
Boston, Massachusetts, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 6:38 am
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Bobby Lee- I think it has very much to do with G although not a straight up G triad, obviously... although F/G is correct, your ear perceives the voicing from the root up, which makes is sound like a G7 sus 4 type chord, especially in a V to I progression. You don't hear "F" tonality-wise as much as you hear G. Of course, when you solo over that one, you can draw from the F triad like crazy...
This type of chord was all over the place in mid 70's fusion/pop like Steely Dan, the Crusaders, Lee Ritenour/Larry Carlton etc. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 7:42 am
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I've always thought of that sound as an 'eleventh' - that's what I call it, even though we don't always play all the notes that constitute the full chord.
Can't play James Taylor's stuff without it!
RR |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 4:35 pm
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John McCann is correct. It may not have the botes of a G triad, but the EAR perceives it as a G suspended 4.
BTW, John is a VERY hot guitar and mandolin player. He sent me a tape a few years ago that blew me away. |
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David Nichols
From:
Black Diamond, Washington, USA
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Posted 27 Sep 2003 7:18 pm
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It's a V chord harmonically. Of course, practically, it's all the above  |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 4:24 pm
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Over here it's known as a Four over Five.
Baz |
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