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Wow!!!!

I couldnt bring myself to watch the Grammy's, (I luckily had a gig anyway) I just now found out almost a week later that Steely Dan won Album of the Year!!! I think that's the greatest thing I've heard all year!

Not just because I think "Two Against Nature" is a great album, ( even though it isnt country)...but just cuz it beat out all that other crap. Yeah team!!!!

Hi Rick

See my post below on Dennis Millers Rant.

Unfortunately, This isn't anywhere near Steely Dan's best work...It's just much better from a musical standpoint than anything else nominated. If you look at it, there wasn't much competition-Simon's CD wasn't his best either, and Becker and Fagen should have gotten a lot more of these years ago, but weren't mainstream enough. I was jumping up and down too though, when they won. I will be rubbing this in my 14 year old niece's face for a while, just because she was SO sure about Eminem.

John



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"Ben & Jerry coming out of rehab".

Forward into the 70's. =:^)

The Grammy's in general seemed like
"the end of times" I could imagine myself
lying in a VOMITORIUM at the end of the
ROMAN EMPIRE and witnessing similar attempts
at culture. Well, at least we might see
STEELY DAN LIVE at THE THUNDERDOME before
the world finally comes to an end.

There are of course several hundred better albums that didn't get the award.
In 2000 we had Maddona's best album, Beck, U2, P.J. Harvey, Fatboy Slim and that's just the chart stuff off the top of my head.

Steely Dan, give me a break!

I happen to like Steely Dan, particularly the early stuff.... because Jeff "Skunk" Baxter played a LOT of STEEL on their first two albums.... and the steel was prominent in the mix. Sure was a lot more countrier back then....than Faith Hill is today.....

I guess thats what I get for my lousy taste in music...

U2 has a great album out? Did "Bono Vox" leave the group? Has anyone learned to write songs? Wasn't "beautiful day" a cheap rip-off of an old A-HA-song?

Jason, what's wrong with you?

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Jerry--what album titles should I look for to find steel gtr on Steely Dan's tunes?

For the most part, I'm only familiar with the Aja album.

Try "Razor Boy" on "Countdown to Ecstasy." Or - God, now I can't remember the name, anyway, there's a great Ellington cover on the album "Pretzel Logic."

www.steelydan.com is always good for a few laughs. I don't think 2VN is their best either, but it does have moments of greatness. "Gaslight Abby," "Jack of Speed," and "Cousin Dupree" come to mind. No steel, but great everything else.

Martin, you're from Berlin! ..Berlin.. so where's your sense of adventure?
Eno, Iggy Pop, David Bowie, Lou Reed, Nick Cave and U2 spent time there and reinvented their careers, quite majestically.

You have to understand that the Eno produced Bowie's 'Heroes' after a Berlin sojourn and that hearing that song totally changed my life in the 1970s.
I knew then that I was most likely an alien and destined to travel a constant meandering path with a constant contradictory taste in music..

Or, maybe I just like electonic music with a rock attitude.
The greates gigs I have ever seen include Dale Watson, Nick Cave and the Melvins, you'll never see them at the Grammy's, unless I missed something.
Either way, after last year I swore never again, so far I've stuck to that.

Nick Cave at the Grammy's. One can only dream.
I saw NC and the Bad Seeds on the "Mercy Seat" tour in Boston. Un-freakin'-believeable performance. What a show!<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by P Gleespen on 01 March 2001 at 09:22 AM.]</p></FONT>

And the beat goes on......Does anyone remember several years ago when Charlie Rich was a "presenter" on the Nashville awards show, and when he opened the envelope and it was John Denver who had won an award, he took his cigarette lighter out of his pocket and burned the envelope?.....By the way, I know what happened to Denver, but what ever happened to Charlie Rich? www.genejones.com

I actually prefer Britany Spears and Meminem to Steely Dan. No risk, balls or fun in Steely Dans music. Just smug white guys showing off how smart they are.

Bob

Geez, Schmidt,
With tastes like that, you'll never get to play the Grand Ole Opry...


<font size=2> oooops.... but wait
<font size=3>-John

Did anybody catch the recent live performance Steely Dan did for the PBS fundraiser? They played a bunch of songs from the latest album, and played several old songs with new arrangements.

It was killer. With grooves like that I reckon I can tolerate the smugness, smartness and whiteness.

I have to admit...Britney woulda looked cuter than them if she woulda won, & I'm sure M&M woulda looked looked equally smug as he took credit, in his "prickly" way, for being such a major force in today's music as an "artist" with balls.

Overheard at a Pro-Tools session: "That take sucked...It's a wrap!"

There are two cuts off the album "Can't Buy A Thrill" that have some excellent steel guitar
by Jeff Baxter; 'Fire In The Hole', and
'Brooklyn'

Anyway, I hope that's the name of the album.
I can't find it. I hope my dog didn't eat it!
He also has lousy taste. =:^)<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Brandin on 02 March 2001 at 07:21 PM.]</p></FONT>

Jason,

If you'd have heard me play yesterday to a friend's tape of her songs you wouldn't have asked where my sense of adventure is...

I surely know of the inspiration Berlin seemed to be to some great artists like Cave, Reed, Bowie, but you honestly can't compare U2 to them, IMO. They had one idea and they are milking it ever since basically.

"Achtung, Baby" was one of their better albums, that's for sure, but they just tried to participate on that Berlin-myth that never existed anyway. I have some American friends here in Berlin, some of them are musicians, and I never understood what they think is so appealing at this city.

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Well ok, I guess if something horrible happened and I was forced to listen to Steely Dan or Britany Spears would pick Steely Dan.

This is in the would you rather have hot pokers stuck in you eyes or listen to Kenny G catagorie for me.

I sorta like Meninem.

Bob

Bob....I guess as steel players, our ultimate showdown will be to see if Eminem's version of "Way to Survive" is somehow more pertinent and honest in today's art climate than Steely Dan's. I'm sure it would sell more records!

I hav'nt figured out who is who in the hot poker issue, but I do think given the right circumstance good sex would be easier listening to Kenny G.

Martin, I really was just teasing, but I'd have to say that in my own humble opinion (oh yeah,so humble), that U2's latest is one of the most majestic pop albums for a while, but then again it probably wouldn't be so great if Lou Reed hadn't insisted on releasing 20 years of Sh!* squeezed onto each album or CD.

Actually at a rock festival in 1993 I saw Nick Cave, the Sonic Youth, Iggy Pop, Mudhoney and many many more. Iggy just stunk the place up, he did a nine song set, with five by the Stooges, now the Stooges broke up in 1974!
Asmuch as I like Jeff Baxter, those old Steely Dan albums, oh man they used to torture me with them at art school .. I could not believe how lame they were.
I was actually horrified by the fact they won, man the baby boomers have got to move on, they killed all the good stuff before them and are killing the industry with this whitey jive.

Sigh, sorry.. big rant.. my bad.

Let's be fair. Much of Steely Dan's
music was created at a time when Donna
Summer and the BEE GEEs own the charts.
To me they were the Musical equivalent of Prozac in the 70's.
They kept me from KILLING myself.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Steel tryin on 02 March 2001 at 07:08 AM.]</p></FONT>

A little confession on my part. In the time period mid,late 70s I basicly thought everything on the radio was garbage. I would only listen to classical chamber music. Some chick dragged me out to see the Ramones live. I loved them. Pop music was fun again. It got me out to clubs and back into playing in bands. Steely Dan was more like valium than prozac for me. They were to safe and careful for me. I'll give the new CD a listen if I get the chance. I might like it now.

I have never related the Grammy's to music. Its just a circle jerk for corporate bozos trying to keep there cushy jobs.

Steely Dan; valium? prozac?

I'd think qualudes would be more on the mark. Sort of like smearing vasaline on your glasses and walking on a matress -- but with a killer groove.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Dennis Scoville on 02 March 2001 at 09:34 AM.]</p></FONT>