Blues scales in C6th and E9th

Robert Todd · Post by **Robert Todd** » 16 May 2006 4:22 pm

Does anyone have Blues scales for C6th and E9th. I'm playing Blues/Rock with a new band.

Post by **Joey Ace** » 17 May 2006 5:05 am

this was posted by b0b, in a dofferent section:
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the Em pentatonic scale:

F#____8___________________________
D#_________8LL____________________
G#__8_____________________________
E ______8L________________________
B _____________8__________________
G#_______________8________________
F#_________________8______________
E ___________________8L___________
D ______________________8L________
B _________________________8______

Noodling up and down the strings on this position gives you a ton of blues licks in E<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The entire thread is here: http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/011638.html
Paul's discussion of "the Pentatonic Lever" is priceless.
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Robert Todd · Post by **Robert Todd** » 17 May 2006 9:49 am

Thanks Joey, On C6th I'm looking for a scale that uses the 7th pedal that raises the 3rd and 4th strings a whole step.

Still it never hurts to have the scales on both necks.

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 17 May 2006 11:48 am

Just curious
Wondering HOW you are looking for it
What note do you see as the root?
What scale tones change as you use the pedal?

Have you thought about this stuff?
(you should)

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Robert Todd · Post by **Robert Todd** » 17 May 2006 12:46 pm

Larry,

For a blues in A often times I use A B C D E F3 G, and yes I can find all of those notes moving the bar, I'm new to the 6th side of the world and am looking for some tried and true runs. I watched Mike Sigler play these using the 7th pedal several years ago at the Chatanooga show.

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 17 May 2006 3:48 pm

OK, here's one way to do it, using the 7th pedal if you insist. This is for an Gm blues scale: 1-b3-4-4#-5-b7-8. The tricky part is getting the 4# note. I've shown it here by moving up one fret on the 4th string before going back to the original fret (3rd in this example) and using the 7th pedal. You could also kick in the 7th pedal sooner and fall back one fret, or use a KL that raises the 4th string a 1/2 step, if you have one.

<pre>
1----------------------|
2-------------------3--|
3---------------3(7)---|
4------3-4-3(7)--------|
5----3-----------------|
6--3-------------------|
7----------------------|
8----------------------|
9----------------------|
10---------------------|
</pre>

But I don't think I'd do it this way at all; too complicated. I'd just do this:

<pre>
1--------------5-------|
2----------------------|
3------------5---------|
4------3-4-5-----------|
5----3-----------------|
6--3-------------------|
7----------------------|
8----------------------|
9----------------------|
10---------------------|
</pre>

Hope that helps a bit.
Cheerz,
Jimbeaux

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 18 May 2006 9:07 am

The Am7 scale you asked for is at the second fret if you have the A to Bb lever:

G________________________________2____
E________________________2__2#________
C_______________2__2##________________
A______2__2#__________________________
G___2_________________________________
E_____________________________________
C_____________________________________
A_____________________________________
F_____________________________________
C_____________________________________

Also, the 5th fret with your E strings as the root gives you the scale A C D E F G A:

G_____________________________________
E___________________________5_________
C___________________5--5##____________
A___________5--5##____________________
G_______5_____________________________
E____5________________________________
C_____________________________________
A_____________________________________
F_____________________________________
C_____________________________________

Maybe that's what you saw. He might have been using the C to C# knee lever to raise the 6th tone from F to F#:

G_____________________________________
E____________________________5________
C___________________5#--5##___________
A___________5--5##____________________
G_______5_____________________________
E____5________________________________
C_____________________________________
A_____________________________________
F_____________________________________
C_____________________________________[This message was edited by b0b on 18 May 2006 at 10:17 AM.]

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 18 May 2006 10:08 am

Robert,
The reason I asked is that people refer to several different scales when they say 'blues scales'. The scale you describe is a GMaj scale starting on A. This is sometimes called the Dorian Mode. It can be played exactly the same way you play a major scale -- just starting on the second note (or degree) of the scale.

In E9 you can think of playing an EMaj scale starting on the 8th string using just the A and B pedals. If you start on the 7th string (F# -- the 2nd degree of the scale) you will get an F#m scale. This includes the same scale tones you mentioned:
1 2 3b 4 5 6 7b 8/1

In C6 you can play a DMaj scale on the second fret
1-----------------------------------------
2-------------------------0--2--------------
3-------------------1--2------------------
4----------------2------------------------
5----------0--2---------------------------
6----0--2---------------------------------
7-2---------------------------------------
--D--E--F#-G--A--B--C#-D--E--F#
If you start this pattern on the open 6th string (second note above) and go to the second E (next to last note above) you will have an Em scale -- the Dorian mode with the b3 and b7 tones. This works as a minor, minor7, or blues scale in E.

Using P7 you could play it like this
1-----------------------------------------
2------------------------------2----------
3-----------------------2-2(7-------------
4----------------2--2(7-------------------
5----------0--2---------------------------
6----0--2---------------------------------
7-----------------------------------------
-----E--F#-G--A--B--C#--D--E---F#

This is one way to use P7 in a minor7 / blues context. I'm not sure what Mike was using but this is one possibility.

Hope this helps

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My CD's: 'I've Got Friends in COLD Places' - 'Pedal Steel Guitar'
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps

Robert Todd · Post by **Robert Todd** » 18 May 2006 12:28 pm

Thanks guys for the insights, I've found a whole new world of rifts excellent help.

Robert