E9 Modes/scale patterns

Ingo Mamczak · Post by **Ingo Mamczak** » 21 Feb 2000 7:15 pm

This might take a few seconds to load .
I posted this as a .txt link , thinking it might save some bandwitdth ?
Basically it's one way of viewing modal scales , in the form of tetrachords .
I just hope the information is correct

<a href=http://gofree.indigo.ie/~ingo/modes1.txt>Modes/Tab</a>

<a href=http://gofree.indigo.ie/~ingo/modes1.wav>Bad quality sound file over 3K </a>

John Steele · Post by **John Steele** » 22 Feb 2000 1:45 pm

Cool, Ingo, thanks!
I noticed you had the sorts of chords the modes are used over on there as well.
If you'd like to fill in a useful blank, the 7th (locrian) mode is used to play over
half-diminished chords (also call m7b5 chords).
Or, to look at it another way, playing the C scale from B to B is the scale which fits over Bm7b5.
There is also another option, the 6th mode of the melodic minor scale, but that's another story.
-John

dlayne · Post by **dlayne** » 22 Feb 2000 9:55 pm

Ingo,you're to cool,thanks for ALL the posts you are a heck of a picker,I'm putting all of your licks and tabb all in one place just in case we have another crash,keep'em coming and I'll do my best to keep up,

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Dan Layne

Roy Thomson · Post by **Roy Thomson** » 24 Feb 2000 4:57 pm

Great Lesson there Ingo. I printed that off for present and future reference. Neat wav
file also!!

Roy

steve takacs · Post by **steve takacs** » 24 Jan 2001 1:35 am

Ingo, Is this now on another site? I can't get it to come in. Thanks,
Steve

John Robel · Post by **John Robel** » 24 Jan 2001 8:52 am

I can't get it to come up either!!I've AOL6.0 .

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 24 Jan 2001 10:09 am

i can't get it either..????!!!!
i'll try again.....later/soon
Steel what ?

johnnyb · Post by **johnnyb** » 24 Jan 2001 1:24 pm

.[This message was edited by johnnyb on 04 June 2005 at 07:46 AM.]

JERRY THURMOND · Post by **JERRY THURMOND** » 24 Jan 2001 3:25 pm

I have been working on scales an modes lately, sure hope you can get that up again, i need all the help i can get. Jerry

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 24 Jan 2001 6:37 pm

I can't get to either link either.

Jerry Erickson · Post by **Jerry Erickson** » 24 Jan 2001 9:19 pm

I tried it and still no go. Didn't Bengt post something to this effect a month ago ? I remember working on one that started on string 10 and didn't use any pedals.

John Sims · Post by **John Sims** » 26 Jan 2001 3:01 pm

Try this page guys http://gofree.indigo.ie/~ingo/ingo.htm

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John

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tim duvall · Post by **tim duvall** » 29 Jan 2001 4:04 am

I got to the page but when the page says to click here and use the cursor keys, I can't get it to work. Any suggestions?

Ed Meadway · Post by **Ed Meadway** » 29 Jan 2001 5:31 am

If you notice the date on the original post is almost a full year ago. He probably removed it to make room for something else.

Skip T · Post by **Skip T** » 29 Jan 2001 12:10 pm

Tim , when you get the page up , you click on the "small" arrow keys to the right of each row. This will allow you to see the different keys , etc. I tried to "print" the info after selecting the different keys , but got only the opening page

thanks Ingo - - - Skip

tim duvall · Post by **tim duvall** » 30 Jan 2001 4:43 am

Skip,
I don;t see any little arrows. Oh well.

Ingo Mamczak · Post by **Ingo Mamczak** » 30 Jan 2001 6:58 pm

Hi , and sorry for not getting back sooner , I haven't been here in quite a long time and was surprised to see this thing up here

Hopefully this is the file that was up on the site . Skip T , the problems you have with that other page relate to the html " textarea " tag . Click once in an area then use your cursor control keys instead of those " small " arrows . If you want to print anything off it I think you can print a screen view instead . It's only one html page so it'll work offline too .
Here's copy of the tetrachord file I have left on my hdd .
<pre>

I've divided this into five sections ,

( A ) MODAL scales with their roots on the 8th string E
( B ) How it works , using the key of C as an example .
( C ) How I visualise the intervals using tetra chords
( D ) How I visualise the whole lot put together ( after all the waffle )
( E ) Disclaimer ......

****************************************************
MODAL scales with their roots on the 8th string E
****************************************************
C Major or C IONIAN ( Over the I chord )

___________________________________________________________________________
F# 1___________________________________________________________________________
D# 2_______________________________8___________________________________________
G# 3___________________________________________________________________________
E 4__________________________________8________________________________________
B 5_________________________8__8A_____________________________________________
G# 6_______________8__8B_______________________________________________________
F# 7____________8______________________________________________________________
E 8_________8_________________________________________________________________
D 9___________________________________________________________________________
B 10__________________________________________________________________________
( . . .--. ) ( . . .--. )
C D E F G A B C

***************************************************
D DORIAN

___________________________________________________________________________
F# 1___________________________________________________________________________
D# 2_______________________________________11__________________________________
G# 3___________________________________________________________________________
E 4___________________________________________________________________________
B 5___________________________10__10A_11A_____________________________________
G# 6____________________11_____________________________________________________
F# 7____________10__11_________________________________________________________
E 8________10_________________________________________________________________
D 9___________________________________________________________________________
B 10__________________________________________________________________________
( . .---. . ) ( . .---. . )
D E F G A B C D

***************************************************
E PHRYGIAN

___________________________________________________________________________
F# 1___________________________________________________________________________
D# 2_________________________________13________________________________________
G# 3___________________________________________________________________________
E 4___________________________________________________________________________
B 5_____________________12__13__13A___________________________________________
G# 6_________________13________________________________________________________
F# 7_____________13____________________________________________________________
E 8_____12__13________________________________________________________________
D 9___________________________________________________________________________
B 10__________________________________________________________________________
E F G A B C D E
(.---. . .) (.---. . . )

***************************************************
F LYDIAN ( Over the IV chord )

___________________________________________________________________________
F# 1___________________________________________________________________________
D# 2____________________________________13_____________________________________
G# 3___________________________________________________________________________
E 4________________________________________13_________________________________
B 5____________________________13__13A________________________________________
G# 6________________13__14B____________________________________________________
F# 7____________13_____________________________________________________________
E 8________13_________________________________________________________________
D 9___________________________________________________________________________
B 10__________________________________________________________________________
( . . . . ) ( . . .---. )
F G A B C D E F

*** There is only a semitone between the tetrachords here .

***************************************************
G MIXOLYDIAN ( Over the V7 chord )

___________________________________________________________________________
F# 1___________________________________________________________________________
D# 2____________________________________________16_____________________________
G# 3___________________________________________________________________________
E 4___________________________________________________________________________
B 5________________________________15__15A_16_________________________________
G# 6______________________15__15B______________________________________________
F# 7__________________15_______________________________________________________
E 8______________15___________________________________________________________
D 9___________________________________________________________________________
B 10__________________________________________________________________________
( . . .---. ) ( . .---. . )
G A B C D E F G

***************************************************
A AEOLIAN ( Over relative minor chord )

___________________________________________________________________________
F# 1___________________________________________________________________________
D# 2_____________________________________________18____________________________
G# 3___________________________________________________________________________
E 4___________________________________________________________________________
B 5________________________________17__18__18A________________________________
G# 6__________________________18_______________________________________________
F# 7__________________17__18___________________________________________________
E 8_______________17__________________________________________________________
D 9___________________________________________________________________________
B 10__________________________________________________________________________
( . .---. . ) ( .---. . . )
A B C D E F G A

***************************************************
B LOCRIAN

___________________________________________________________________________
F# 1___________________________________________________________________________
D# 2_____________________________________________20____________________________
G# 3___________________________________________________________________________
E 4___________________________________________________________________________
B 5_____________________________________20__20A_______________________________
G# 6__________________________20_____20B_______________________________________
F# 7______________________20___________________________________________________
E 8______________19__20_______________________________________________________
D 9___________________________________________________________________________
B 10__________________________________________________________________________
( .---. . . )--( . . . . )
B C D E F G A B

***************************************************
And back to C IONIAN

C IONIAN
___________________________________________________________________________
F# 1___________________________________________________________________________
D# 2___________________________________20______________________________________
G# 3___________________________________________________________________________
E 4_______________________________________20__________________________________
B 5___________________________20__20A_________________________________________
G# 6_________________20__20B___________________________________________________
F# 7_____________20____________________________________________________________
E 8_________20________________________________________________________________
D 9___________________________________________________________________________
B 10__________________________________________________________________________
( . . .---. ) ( . . .---. )
C D E F G A B C

***************************************************
How it works , using the key of C as an example .
***************************************************

(1) First I locate the notes of the Major scale along the 8th string E .
This finds me the root notes for each of the modal scales .

___________________________________________________________
E 8__________8__10__12__13____15__17__19__20__________________
D 9___________________________________________________________
B 10__________________________________________________________
( . . .---. ) ( . . .---. )
C D E F G A B C

(2) If the song is a three chord trick you could have , C F G7 , or a 1 4 5 .
This tells me to locate the 1st 4th and 5th notes of the C Major scale on
the E string , as these will be the root notes for their modal scales .

(3) A modal scale only rotates through the notes of its Major scale , but using a
different starting point .
For C Major , the scale is C D E F G A B C
For the F , the scale is F G A B C D E F
And for the G , the scale is G A B C D E F G

(4) The reason it works is because if you take the G scale for example ..
G is the fifth note of the scale of C Major .
Playing the three chord trick , you would play the G7th as the fifth chord .
You have the notes of G A B C D E F G .
If you take the chord as being made up of the 1 3 5 notes of this scale ,
1 = G 3 = B 5 = D . This is the G Major triad .
But if you add the 7 note of this scale , you get F natural as opposed to F# .
This flat 7 makes it a G7th sounding scale . The rest work in the same way .

(5) The relative minor of C Major , is A minor . The 6 chord .
So the modal scale is simply A B C D E F G A .
1 = A 3 = C 5 = E . As you can see , the C natural , makes it a flat 3rd .
This makes it a minor chord . You get a minor sounding scale .

(6) The scale of B = B C D E F G A B . 1 = B 3 = D 5 = F .
This gives you a flat 3rd and a flat 5th = a B diminished triad .

(7) Finally , for harmony and obviously two steel parts or more , pick
a mode and also the one which is two above or two below it .
Example the chord of C , the first two notes of which are C and E .
You can play the C Ionian and the E phrygian over each other note for note .

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How I visualise the intervals using tetra chords
**************************************************************

Gaps between the dots represent a whole tone , the space between the parenthessis
also a whole tone , and the line joining two dots represents a semitone .
These patterns are to remember the intervals of the scales . They do not always
contain the same notes .
So I visualise a Major scale as ( . . .--. ) ( . . .--. )
That could be C Major , G Major , or any Major scale .

Here I've numbered the different tetrachord structures as I see them .
This isn't theory , just a shortcut for me .

1 = ( . . .--. )
2 = ( . .--. . )
3 = ( .--. . . )
4 = ( . . . . )

Each Tetra has to have four notes .
Tetra 1 has the semitone on the right ,
Tetra 2 has the semitone in the middle ,
Tetra 3 has the semitone on the left ,
Tetra 4 has no semitone in it at all .
So I visualise the different scales as being a combination of two tetra chords .

The thing to remember is that this is only to visualise the intervals of the scale .
and not the actual scale itslef .

For example ,
Tetra #2 = ( . .--. . ) and could contain the notes A B C D ... or ... D E F G .

Again using C as an example .

Tetra's #

C D E F G A B C
1st IONIAN ( . . .--. ) ( . . .--. ) ( 1 , 1 )

D E F G A B C D
2nd DORIAN ( . .--. . ) ( . .--. . ) ( 2 , 2 )

E F G A B C D E
3rd PHRYGIAN ( .--. . . ) ( .--. . . ) ( 3 , 3 )

F G A B C D E F
4th LYDIAN ( . . . . )--( . . .--. ) ( 4 , 1 ) *

G A B C D E F G
5th MIXOLYDIAN ( . . .--. ) ( . .--. . ) ( 1 , 2 )

A B C D E F G A
6th AEOLIAN ( . .--. . ) ( .--. . . ) ( 2 , 3 )

B C D E F G A B
7th LOCRIAN ( .--. . . )--( . . . . ) ( 3 , 4 ) *

* = If either of the tetras is a 4 , there is only a semitone between the tetras .

**************************************************
How I visualise the whole lot together
**************************************************

Again in the key of C for example .

Tetra #s (1,1) (2,2) (3,3) (4,1) (1,2) (2,3) (3,4) (1,1)

Fret position ___________________________________________________________
on 8th string E _____8_____10_____12_____13______15_____17____19_____20____

The Major scale C D E F G A B C

Tetra chord ( 1 2 3 --- 4 ) ( 5 6 7 ---- 8 )

</pre>

Disclaimer ...
Hope there aren't too many mistakes

Ingo .

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 31 Jan 2001 1:27 pm

Great stuff there Ingo. One more thing that is nice when splitting the scale into two tetra-chords is that it is easy to play on strings 9,8,7 or 8,7,6 since there is a whole tone between them. Play the first 4 notes of a tetra-chord and move up 7 fret and play the next tetra-chord using the same strings. The half-tone interval can be on either string, just slide one fret up.

Bengt