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Well, I am the proud owner of one of Rusty Youngs psg's. A Carter D10. On the LKR it lowers G#(6) to f#. Why would he do this? Also I would prefer the standard LKR to raise the E to F. LKL lowers the E's to D# as expected. Any one around S Fla to help?
Thanks

Paul
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Some people prefer splitting the raising and lowering of the E's to different legs.

Normal Emmons setup is

LKL Raises E's
LKR Lowers E's

There is not right or wrong way of doing this. Whatever you are most comfortable with.

Regards

Paul -

That whole-tone sixth string drop on LKR may have been a carry-over from Rusty's days of playing Sho-Bud steels, which typically had the RKL lowering the E strings

So Rusty's setup may have been to engage both RKL and the LKR to obtain a V chord with any standard grip at the Open Chord Position

Here's our hero Rusty (wildly) performing on one of his Sho-Bud's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYjcw88quyg

PS - hold on to your seat...........

Ron

mtulbert wrote:Paul
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Some people prefer splitting the raising and lowering of the E's to different legs.

Normal Emmons setup is

LKL Raises E's
LKR Lowers E's

There is not right or wrong way of doing this. Whatever you are most comfortable with.

Regards

Thanks Mark,
I forgot to mention this guitar is setup as Day. Also I am used to the E's being on the L as that was my 1st guitar. Although that had an Emmons pedal setup. The day setup doesn't bother me too much..

Ron Funk wrote:Paul -

That whole-tone sixth string drop on LKR may have been a carry-over from Rusty's days of playing Sho-Bud steels, which typically had the RKL lowering the E strings

So Rusty's setup may have been to engage both RKL and the LKR to obtain a V chord with any standard grip at the Open Chord Position

Here's our hero Rusty (wildly) performing on one of his Sho-Bud's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYjcw88quyg

PS - hold on to your seat...........

Ron

Thanks Ron,

You indeed may be right on Rustys setup. He definitely used the Day pedal setup. Great vid!

I believe he gave Robert Randolph a run for his money on that there....

Lowering the 6th a full tone on a knee lever is a fairly common move, but what lever is used is purely personal taste. Some players happen to like the E raises and lowers on different knees so that the raise-to-lower transition can be done smoother, and maybe that's why Rusty did it.

Nice score, Paul!

So Rusty's setup may have been to engage both RKL and the LKR to obtain a V chord with any standard grip at the Open Chord Position

This is probably my second most used combination after A+B. I call it the "I have to take a leak" gesture.

Looking at him go wilder and wilder through this video, my main take away comes @4:15 when he tips his steel on the keyhead endplate: "Huh, rack and barrel but nylon tuners." (I vaguely recall reading an interview (GP?) where he discusses doing this for greater tuning stability?)

I saw Poco several times in this period right after Richie Furay left. They did a decent job of keeping it going, although I lament missing them with Furay (and Messina).

I call it the "I have to take a leak" gesture.


Thanks for a new name for a move. I guess us older guys use that alot.

Funny

The G# to F# Lower is my 3rd most used knee lever. As mentioned above, with the E to D# lowers, it makes a 4 chord (A) 2 frets down from the no pedals position or 5 chord in the no pedals position (B chord open or 12th fret). Release the lever and activate your B pedal, and it becomes a 7th chord. the one you get with E lowers and the A & B pedals (B7 open at 12th fret). And if you can split tune the 6th string (extra rod method needed on a Carter, no split tuning screws), you can get a lower from the root of the A & B pedals A chord (open and 12th fret) activating the 6th string lower with the A & B pedals down Giving the G note (Dom 7th), and still have the high root note (A) on string 3. With the split, you have the abilty to get movement of 4 notes (F#, G, G#, A) on string 6, giving some cool possibilities. Splitting the 6th string with only the B pedal activated will give you an Em chord (open and 12th fret) on strings 4,5,6, 5,6,8, 6,8,10.

Donny Hinson wrote:Lowering the 6th a full tone on a knee lever is a fairly common move, but what lever is used is purely personal taste. Some players happen to like the E raises and lowers on different knees so that the raise-to-lower transition can be done smoother, and maybe that's why Rusty did it.

THANKS Donny !!!