p2pAmps 1x12 Bad-Dawg
Posted: 19 Oct 2021 10:23 am
This is the latest build here in the shop. She is sounding great and headed for MI. Thought I would share for us tube amp geeks 
Cheers!
Mike
Cheers!
Mike
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Posted: 20 Oct 2021 4:56 am
Mike, that's the cleanest most pristine layout of any amp I've ever seen. Your craftsmanship is beyond skillful. It's a joy to see something so neat and well planned. You rock the amp world.
Posted: 20 Oct 2021 6:29 pm
Thanks so much Mr Larry, I appreciate your kind words.Larry Dering wrote:Mike, that's the cleanest most pristine layout of any amp I've ever seen. Your craftsmanship is beyond skillful. It's a joy to see something so neat and well planned. You rock the amp world.
Cheers!
Re: p2pAmps 1x12 Bad-Dawg
Posted: 21 Oct 2021 10:36 am
Mike Scaggs wrote:This is the latest build here in the shop. She is sounding great and headed for MI. Thought I would share for us tube amp geeks
Cheers!
Mike
Nice looking amp, Mike.
Is there a list of models that you offer, along with prices and specs? I went to the p2p website and it’s mostly gut shot pictures.
Posted: 21 Oct 2021 11:49 am
Nice amp.
Your name 'P2P' implies 'point-to-point'... a la old-tyme amps (and Trainwreck). Your amps, of course, are turreted/riveted. Just being pedantic here.
Your name 'P2P' implies 'point-to-point'... a la old-tyme amps (and Trainwreck). Your amps, of course, are turreted/riveted. Just being pedantic here.
Posted: 21 Oct 2021 12:22 pm
Thank you for your clarification, however, depending on who you talk to there are different opinions on what point-to-point really is. I don't have an opinion myself, I build what I think is a great amp that sounds great and is very reliable and strong. FWIW, I build turrets, eyelets, straight p2p, and PCBs.Stephen Cowell wrote:Nice amp.
Your name 'P2P' implies 'point-to-point'... a la old-tyme amps (and Trainwreck). Your amps, of course, are turreted/riveted. Just being pedantic here.
Cheers
Mike
Re: p2pAmps 1x12 Bad-Dawg
Posted: 21 Oct 2021 12:24 pm
Matt Waldrum wrote:Each amp is a custom build so it depends on what exactly you are after. I do not build a widget so prices do vary. Labor is always fixed plus parts costs. If you have something in mind please email me and I will give you a detailed price breakdown with the cost of each and every part. ThanksMike Scaggs wrote:This is the latest build here in the shop. She is sounding great and headed for MI. Thought I would share for us tube amp geeks
Cheers!
Mike
Nice looking amp, Mike.
Is there a list of models that you offer, along with prices and specs? I went to the p2p website and it’s mostly gut shot pictures.
You can see some completed amps here. I don't have everything I have built here as there are many. enjoy
http://www.p2pamps.com/p2p-happy-customers
Posted: 21 Oct 2021 12:52 pm
Well, they’re definitely not point to point amps but they look really nice.
Those Miflex coupling caps are very sexy, I’ll bet they sound great…they better, considering what they cost!
Those Miflex coupling caps are very sexy, I’ll bet they sound great…they better, considering what they cost!
Posted: 21 Oct 2021 1:16 pm
Turrets/Eyelet board construction is repeatable. I know as I can promise you I have built many amps in all kinda of different methods.
If you develop a good layout method with turret/eyelet boards, you can repeat that method in each project. This means that projects tend to be very successful. Some of the true p2p amps I have repaired are a complete nightmare. One of the best true point to point circuits I have worked on are Matchless. However, repairing those takes a great deal of time and effort and in the end it doesn’t make them sound any better but it does look cool. In fact, I have seen a blindfold shootout with an orig Matchless and a clone built on a turret, couldn't tell em apart (truth).
As far as stray capacitance with turret/eyelet boards affecting tone. It is not an issue. You need to be aware of what you’re doing with the parts, but once you got it down, no problem.
I have heard some claim point to point does sound better, not true at all. It is the boutique amp builders that claim this and use it as a sales pitch.
Like I was saying, point to point is not very repeatable, can be very unpredictable, and can be less reliable because the parts have less support. Also, some true p2p amps are pretty noisy.
Turret/eyelet boards are mil spec. If you want the best, use turret/eyelet boards.
So far the Miflex caps are sounding pretty great. I have used Jensen PIO, Mallory 150s, you name it. Caps are very subjective to players ears and even more so to my hifi customers.
Lastly, I am not here to debate circuit design and get into a tech-fu debate , I merely was showing an amp I just finished up. 
If you develop a good layout method with turret/eyelet boards, you can repeat that method in each project. This means that projects tend to be very successful. Some of the true p2p amps I have repaired are a complete nightmare. One of the best true point to point circuits I have worked on are Matchless. However, repairing those takes a great deal of time and effort and in the end it doesn’t make them sound any better but it does look cool. In fact, I have seen a blindfold shootout with an orig Matchless and a clone built on a turret, couldn't tell em apart (truth).
As far as stray capacitance with turret/eyelet boards affecting tone. It is not an issue. You need to be aware of what you’re doing with the parts, but once you got it down, no problem.
I have heard some claim point to point does sound better, not true at all. It is the boutique amp builders that claim this and use it as a sales pitch.
Like I was saying, point to point is not very repeatable, can be very unpredictable, and can be less reliable because the parts have less support. Also, some true p2p amps are pretty noisy.
Turret/eyelet boards are mil spec. If you want the best, use turret/eyelet boards.
So far the Miflex caps are sounding pretty great. I have used Jensen PIO, Mallory 150s, you name it. Caps are very subjective to players ears and even more so to my hifi customers.
Lastly, I am not here to debate circuit design and get into a tech-fu debate
, I merely was showing an amp I just finished up. Posted: 21 Oct 2021 2:24 pm
I’d take a turret board over point to point every day, way better for myriad reasons. Your amps look absolutely beautiful .
Posted: 21 Oct 2021 4:15 pm
I agree with you 100%. I have built plenty of true point-to-point amps and they are just a pain in many ways. The coolness factor is there but I would personally give my customer the very best I know how to produce, I take it personal. If I thought a different method was better I would not hesitate one moment to change my builds. I strive to produce the highest quality builds I know how.Cartwright Thompson wrote:I’d take a turret board over point to point every day, way better for myriad reasons. Your amps look absolutely beautiful .
Cheers to you!
Mike
Thanks for that Bad-Dawg
Posted: 26 Oct 2021 1:15 pm
The amp above arrived safe and sound here in Michigan, and is completely blew me away. The best sound I've ever had by far. Thank you Mike for your skill and knowledge.
Just another tude geek.
Just another tude geek.
Fat fingers
Posted: 26 Oct 2021 1:19 pm
The amp above arrived safe and sound here in Michigan, and *it* completely blew me away. The best sound I've ever had by far. Thank you Mike for your skill and knowledge.
Just another *tube* geek
Just another *tube* geek
Posted: 30 Oct 2021 10:05 am
Hi Lary,
What kind of speaker did you go with on this amp?
Thanks
Mike
What kind of speaker did you go with on this amp?
Thanks
Mike
Posted: 31 Oct 2021 4:35 am
I'll add - it's an Eminence EM12-NMike Bagwell wrote:Hi Lary,
What kind of speaker did you go with on this amp?
Thanks
Mike
Posted: 2 Nov 2021 2:51 pm
Thanks Mike,
Those are some beautiful amps you're making. The detail and layout are amazing.
I'm thinking I saw a one of your amps with a Wheelhouse speaker. I was curious if Lary's had installed one in his amp. Judging by the graph the Wheelhouse doesn't seem to have quite as much mid dip as some of the more popular speakers.
Mike
Those are some beautiful amps you're making. The detail and layout are amazing.
I'm thinking I saw a one of your amps with a Wheelhouse speaker. I was curious if Lary's had installed one in his amp. Judging by the graph the Wheelhouse doesn't seem to have quite as much mid dip as some of the more popular speakers.
Mike
Posted: 2 Nov 2021 3:20 pm
Mike, MIKE, can tell you better, and I don't know how to read a graphMike Bagwell wrote:Thanks Mike,
Those are some beautiful amps you're making. The detail and layout are amazing.
I'm thinking I saw a one of your amps with a Wheelhouse speaker. I was curious if Lary's had installed one in his amp. Judging by the graph the Wheelhouse doesn't seem to have quite as much mid dip as some of the more popular speakers.
Mike
But I have Mike's 2-12 p2p with Wheelhouse's in it and it sounds fantastic.Posted: 2 Nov 2021 3:21 pm
Thank you so much. Lary's amp has an Eminence EM12N which is a great steel speaker. The Wheelhouse is great too and geared more for steel and guitar both. Its nice for both.Mike Bagwell wrote:Thanks Mike,
Those are some beautiful amps you're making. The detail and layout are amazing.
I'm thinking I saw a one of your amps with a Wheelhouse speaker. I was curious if Lary's had installed one in his amp. Judging by the graph the Wheelhouse doesn't seem to have quite as much mid dip as some of the more popular speakers.
Mike
Mike