The Steel Guitar Forum

When I ordered my Zum Hybrid many years ago, I specified the "Franklin pedal" as pedal 0 (to the left of the other three), but I never found a use for it, so I took it off.

Now I'm toying with the idea of using that pedal for lowering the B strings, a change that many have on the LKV.(In my case the LKV is already taken, I use it for E>F# which is a change I have had since my first steel and cannot be without by now. And adding another LKV is not an option, I find that very uncomfortable and more or less unplayable.)

Since I've never tried lowering the B strings, would having that change on pedal 0 be at all useful? Or is there some other changes that would work in that position?

Yes, if you play a Emmons setup. (It works best next to the "A" pedal.)

Well, i play Emmons setup so my pedal 1 is A, 2 is B, 3 is C. There's room for pedal 0 to the left of the A-pedal.

Any examples of well-known licks that use lowering the B-strings?

Hello, Per,
I don't have any "well known licks", but if you have the Franklin pedal next to the A pedal, you can rock on/off one to the other. And, using the A/B pedals as your home pedals, the Franklin pedal down makes the root note, giving you a full 2 octave range on that same fret......Pat

Just to clarify: the Franklin pedal is off the table for good, tried it, didn't like it. The question concerns lowering the Bs.

Understood!

Another suggestion, then, would be to do your B to Bb on your vertical, and move your E to F# to the pedal, for faster action. I had the same setup, but needed faster responce to my E to F#, I too, can't be without it......Pat.

Pat, I'm with you, that string 4 E>F# change has a lot of great uses, but finding a home for it without wrecking other mainstay changes is tricky.

I currently don't have it on any guitars, but when I did it was on a staggered LKL-Front. Because I lower and raise E's on my right knee, it allows for a great bit of chromaticism using all 3 levers in sequence.

I'd suggest your Franklin on zero pedal, lower B's a half on LKV, and put that E>F# change on the more or less standard RKL, by itself there, or coupled with string 6 G#>F#. Might even work, or at least not conflict with, string 1 and 2 up a whole and half.

More fun with copedents!

The E>F# LKV change is stuck in my muscle memory by now, and there is NO WAY I will ever change that. Kicking my knee up with my foot on the B pedal is much faster than moving my foot to the C pedal.

A possible alternative position for lowering the Bs would be RKR, I guess – I hardly ever feel a need to lower strings 2 and 9, so those changes could be sacrificed. Would that make more musical sense than lowering the Bs on pedal 0?

I've never been real keen on the B to Bb change. And other changes were worth more to me to waste a knee lever on it. I am going to put those changes on the pedal next to my A pedal, pedal 4 in my case as I am a Day player. The only thing I like about it is using it alone to get the 2-nine chord similar pedal 5 on C6.

Travis Toy uses it a lot in the 0 position, splitting with the A pedal for an easy augmented chord. He covers his use of it well in a lesson on the Travis Toy Tutorials site. I learned his Hwy 40 Blues solo where he uses it in several places, but don’t have the change yet, so I have to half pedal it. Half pedaling is harder to keep in tune than mashing two pedals, IMO.

https://youtu.be/WlXkLaCx0mM

Justin Emmert wrote:Travis Toy uses it a lot in the 0 position, splitting with the A pedal for an easy augmented chord. He covers his use of it well in a lesson on the Travis Toy Tutorials site. I learned his Hwy 40 Blues solo where he uses it in several places, but don’t have the change yet, so I have to half pedal it. Half pedaling is harder to keep in tune than mashing two pedals, IMO.

https://youtu.be/WlXkLaCx0mM

That's the other reason I am putting it next to the A pedal. Although, I am pretty good at doing a half pedal on slower stuff, mashing the 2 pedals would be better for fast stuff.

Some lower G#s to G or raise the lower G# to Bb on pedal 0.

It should be against the law to play that good

I inherited a Rus-ler pedal steel from my father in 1977. He had the flat B change on his RKL<. I didn't know how to use it, but always used it as a 7th going down two frets. Also with A and B pedals depressed it makes a A# minor. I can see here that I can use it in conjunction with the A pedal to make the augmented chord. Or a half A pedal.

Do you like Randy Beavers playing style? If so, you could put his change on the 0 pedal - lower 6 and 9 a half step. Randy has this change on a knee lever. However he has said it will also work well on the 0 pedal, since it can be combined with the A pedal.

Per Berner wrote:Just to clarify: the Franklin pedal is off the table for good, tried it, didn't like it. The question concerns lowering the Bs.

Are you specifically asking about lowering the Bs only a half step, or possibly a whole step?

I originally had B->Bb on P0, but I just split my Franklin pedal so P0 now lowers the Bs to As which I have found uses for, but the splits are tuned so that P0 + pedal A raises the Bs a half step - great for augmented chords, as others have mentioned. I still half-pedal for the minor subdominant (4) chord, though, because I can't reach all 3 pedals at once (which, with the split, would give me that same minor chord), so I'm thinking I could use a B-Bb lower on a knee just for that purpose - though I don't have any available now ...

I'm leaning towards trying the B>Bb change on a knee lever, but I'll try it out on my AVM (which is extremely easy to re-rod) before I dismantle my Zum...

I have a modified, "Crawford Cluster" on the left knee for E9th levers... I lower B to Bb (strings 5 & 10) with my left / left / front lever. I've had that change there for some 40 yrs. I have Emmons pedals. It may not work for others but for me, having that change on that lever is much more ergonomic and comfortable.

I have tried lowering Bs on my zero pedal next to my A pedal but I could never get used to it. I have also had it on a main lever, but I find it most useful on my vertical lever. It is a great modifying change that works with Es raised, Es lowered, A pedal, AB pedals, B pedal while lowering 9, A pedal with Es raised.

I raise sting 6 a whole tone on my zero pedal. It works well with A pedal in open position, also when Es lowered.

On my lever that raises string 1 a whole step and 2 a half step, I lower string 7 a half/whole tone. I get some nice C6 type sounding stuff with the string 6 whole raise and string 7 half lower.

A possible alternative position for lowering the Bs would be RKR, I guess – I hardly ever feel a need to lower strings 2 and 9

You would definitly want to be able to lower 2 and 9 to C# at the same time as lowering B's to Bb so that would not be a good sacrifize imo.

That C# is a super useful "Root" note together with maybe E's to F (changes from a minor7th voicing to dom 7)
The B's to Bb will let you move between the b7 or 6th in those same voicings. Split tuned with the A pedal gives you access to a Maj7th or Maj6th or min7th or min6th, all in the same position. This is insanely useful.

Bs to Bb at P0 should work totally fine imo
(try lowering E's at same time if possible and also try lowering 2&9 to C# same time , cool combination)

other options for P0 that also work are

3rd and 6th string G#-G (works excellent together with lever that lowers 2&9 to C#)

or

6th string G# to A#(might take a little getting used to to get the most out of it)

Ditching the 2&9 lowering to C# should not be considered at all imo as I see it as one of the "must have" levers. Can I do without it? yes, but I would rather not.

B.Erlandsen
Zumsteel S12extE9 7+7

Bengt Erlandsen wrote: Ditching the 2&9 lowering to C# should not be considered at all imo as I see it as one of the "must have" levers.

Well, I'm a bit weird and never use strings 1 and 2, and very rarely string 9 (too late to re-learn now), so I would not miss that lever at all! Actually, I would love an 8-string pedal steel with G# as string 1...

There are always workarounds . The good thing is that we can customize the instrument with raise and lowers to suit our own playing style so the instrument can replicate what we hear and want to play without too much finger/feet/knee gymnastics. I sometimes prefer less strings and pedals as well.

B.Erlandsen
Zumsteel S12extE9 7+7

Dustin Rigsby wrote:It should be against the law to play that good

I moved my b lowers to RKL as I never cared for the vertical. I don't miss the typical change on RKL either. I am not a lick player.
I love the 2 chord the lowered b's produce in the open position. There are many uses for this too.