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Topic: Removing 10th string from "A" pedal. |
b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 5 Jul 2021 9:05 pm |
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I remember that Buddy Emmons was playing around with the idea of removing the 10th string raise from the "A" pedal. I just set up my D9th guitar like that, and I like it. Here's what I have now:
Simplicity is my guiding principal. No more than 2 changes per pedal/lever, and no redundancies.
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Andrew Goulet
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Posted 6 Jul 2021 7:48 am
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I only raise one string with the A pedal on my D13 and I like it. I usually stay out of the lower range with a full band anyways, and it makes the A pedal whip-fast.
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Dave Hopping
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Aurora, Colorado
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Posted 6 Jul 2021 8:20 am
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I went the other way, and added a whole-step A pedal raise on my U-12's low B.  |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 6 Jul 2021 10:20 am
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I play a lot of straight guitar licks (think: Don Rich stylings), so I need the both the B to A and the B to C# on the 10th. I also have separate levers to lower the 2nd string a half tone and a whole tone, which I'd guess is kinda rare. It all boils down to what you play and what you like.  |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 6 Jul 2021 2:16 pm
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I need both 10-string changes too, Donny. That's why I have the lower on LKV and the raise on "pedal 0". Trying to figure which I use most.
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Andrew Frost
From:
Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 6 Jul 2021 8:07 pm
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| Great example of less changes allowing for more harmonic possibilities. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 6 Jul 2021 11:36 pm
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| Dave Hopping wrote: |
| I went the other way, and added a whole-step A pedal raise on my U-12's low B. |
On my uni 12 I lower the low B to A to give a root with A/B
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2021 7:05 am
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
| On my uni 12 I lower the low B to A to give a root with A/B |
So how do you get the C# note when you need it, for example in A+F positions?
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2021 7:46 am
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| b0b wrote: |
| Ian Rae wrote: |
| On my uni 12 I lower the low B to A to give a root with A/B |
So how do you get the C# note when you need it, for example in A+F positions? |
I do the same on my S12U, lower string-12 B-to-A on the A-pedal. It makes the A+B down position into a huge low-end intensive chord that is really great for big power chords and big endings, and is the root of A+B down for my Travis picking style. I call it my "E9th Boo-Wha"
I raise all three B's to C# on my C-pedal (and string-4 E-to-F#, for standard E9th C-pedal stuff).
So if I need string-12-B to be a C# for the typical A+F position, I play C+F.
It's like having both Emmons and Day setups in many ways. Sometimes I use AB, sometimes I use BC, depending on what if more convienient at the moment. |
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K Maul
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Hadley, NY/Hobe Sound, FL
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Posted 7 Jul 2021 8:00 am
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I know you all know this, but Ralph Mooney only raised his high B to C# on that pedal, but tuned the (8th) string below his D to C#, with no open B. It worked out ok for him.
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2021 8:58 am
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I discussed the mechanics of taking the 10 string raise off the A pedal that Mr. Emmons done. Hook Moore advised me before his passing. The guitar he got from Buddy,The A pedal no pull was done by just backing the 10th string tuning nut off.
Buddy done it just for a few songs. |
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Dan Beller-McKenna
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Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2021 10:52 am
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| I've been lowering 10 from B to A on my A pedal forever. Great for A major power chords and more. I can't really live without that low B-C# raise for those first inversion chords with 10-8-6 or 10-6-4, so I raise 10 to C# with my LKV. Ergonomically less than ideal, but id does give me a nice sus 2 with the fifth string string on B. |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 7 Jul 2021 11:31 am
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| b0b wrote: |
| Ian Rae wrote: |
| On my uni 12 I lower the low B to A to give a root with A/B |
So how do you get the C# note when you need it, for example in A+F positions? |
By lowering 11 to C# on the F lever.
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 7 Jul 2021 11:32 am
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| The A pedal no pull was done by just backing the 10th string tuning nut off. |
Yup. I do that for some other things too. Also temporarily convert whole-tone raises or lowers to half-tone. I figure, I went to the trouble of putting all that stuff on there, and it's just a few turns of a tuning nut to temporarily disable or half-tone it.
I should probably put the low B=>A change on my Universals. Perfect for replicating slide guitar stuff, would save me dragging a guitar to gigs for that. |
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2021 6:37 pm
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Following... been considering raising my extended E9 string 11 G# to B on a lever or far right pedal to provide that low B note against the mid-neck closed chord, without messing up the string 10 raise. For the Emmons gorgeous "end of Shenandoah" change. Anyone doing that? Like it?
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 8 Jul 2021 4:23 am
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I love having the B in the bass so I can get a 4/5 chord, pedals down, on strings 10, 6, 5, 4.
Up until a couple of years ago I was able to achieve this with the 'Isaacs pedal' (my P4 - raising 6 and 5 to A and C# respectively.
Somewhere along the line I dumped this great change and had the Franklin pedal at 4 instead. This thread is prompting me to go back to the Isaacs.
(My RKR, as well as lowering 2 and 9, lowers my 10th to a B. I thought this would make up for the Isaacs I'd lost - pedals down, but lower the 10th from the C# back to a B - but my guitar won't do it with sufficient accuracy. My RKR is also pretty stiff, which doesn't help.  )
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 8 Jul 2021 4:49 am
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| Roger Rettig wrote: |
I love having the B in the bass so I can get a 4/5 chord, pedals down, on strings 10, 6, 5, 4.
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Even if your A pedal raises both B strings, you can play B on string 10, and then with string 2 lowered to C#, play the A chord on strings 2,4,6. Or, in other inversions, strings 2,3,4, or 2,6,8.
Also, B/C# is available, lowering 4 and 9 a half step. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 8 Jul 2021 5:21 am
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But, if I lower my 2nd to C#, it's also dropping the 10th to an A!
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