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Topic: Is it possible to trill like Pinetop? |
Tommy Martin Young
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Posted 26 Mar 2021 12:38 pm |
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I've had this specific sound echoing in my head for a while now and it just dawned on me that it's the opening to Pinetop's Boogie Woogie and it's a trill...but not a Brother Oswald trill or a Roy Wiggins ting-a-ling. Does anyone here or out there - nail this technique? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJJ9rVOcwXY
The notes are right there under the bar (in this example A & C on the treble clef) but the timing requires me to do a 2 finger pinch (T-2) tremolo picking attack (slowly and tremo-slow doesn't cut it). I've tried alternate picking between the adjacent strings and finger rolls etc to no avail.
Just wondering if it's a "thing" others do or am I at the bottom of another rabbit hole?
Cheers!
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 26 Mar 2021 2:16 pm
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4 groups of 6 notes - 24 notes in a bar? That's asking a lot of steel guitar right hand technique. While I would like to simply suggest you play to the steel guitar's strength and just use the power of slides and sustain, it doesn't answer your question.
In C6th tuning, I would use a bar bouncing trill from the open A string to the C note on fret 3. Set up metronome and slowly build up speed if you want to make it exact to what Perkins played. Personally, I'd just settle for the spirit of the thing being close. Anyway, I think that's close to the only way to get that trill at the speed needed.
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David Knutson
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Cowichan Valley, Canada
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Posted 26 Mar 2021 2:16 pm
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Well, I just gave it a try, and the closest I get to that kind of sound is by using my thumb pick like a flat pick and trilling mandolin style. My thumb picks are filed to a sharp(ish) point - don't know if that helps or not.
Kind of a fun rabbit hole to be in though.
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Tommy Martin Young
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Sacramento-California, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2021 3:05 pm
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| Andy Volk wrote: |
4 groups of 6 notes - 24 notes in a bar? That's asking a lot of steel guitar right hand technique.
Personally, I'd just settle for the spirit of the thing being close. Anyway, I think that's close to the only way to get that trill at the speed needed. |
Andy, thanks for the input and for reminding me I should have called out I was after the "sound/spirit" as opposed to the "speed".
I fell down this slippery slope when I swallowed the "Bob Dunn pill" which led me to Guy Cundell's writings that called out Jim & Bob (The Genial Hawaaian's) "By The Waters of Minnetonka" where at 1:56 Bob Pauole tremolo picks then double tremolo picks (if that's even possible)... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCYv2Ygr_6Y
which made me wonder- if you can tremolo pick a string or chord, can you do it distinctively on 2 strings?
So I freeze my Thumb and Middle finger 3/8" apart like a fat, double-headed pick and in my beginner's brain it makes perfect sense. But I also know why some "great" ideas never catch on!  Thanks for the input
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Gene Tani
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Pac NW
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Posted 26 Mar 2021 6:54 pm
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I think Andy gave all the info. Much easier with a reso style Stevens bar with sharp cornered front (I use dobro bars with one bullet nose and one very sharp edged front, Asher or Shubb).
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 26 Mar 2021 8:28 pm
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I use this technique a lot, mostly gleaned from guitarists like George Benson. The wider intervals sound coolest.
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Bill Hatcher
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