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San Diego, 1947: Who's the other guy?

Posted: 22 Apr 2020 6:00 pm
by Brad Bechtel
San Diego 1947:

Ernest Tubb, Eddie Kirk, Roy Hogsed, Butterball Paige, Tennessee Ernie Ford, and an unidentified individual. Anyone know who the guy on the far right is?

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Posted: 22 Apr 2020 6:10 pm
by Donny Hinson
Looks a lot like Leon McAuliffe, to me.

Posted: 22 Apr 2020 8:59 pm
by Brad Bechtel
No, it’s definitely not Leon.

Posted: 22 Apr 2020 9:38 pm
by Joe Naylor
no it is NOT Leon

Posted: 23 Apr 2020 1:53 am
by Rich Sullivan
Smokey Rogers?

Posted: 23 Apr 2020 2:26 am
by Bill Fisher
You may be right, Rich. He died there in 1993, and was playing there in the 40-50's time frame.

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Posted: 23 Apr 2020 8:32 am
by Brad Bechtel
It doesn't look like Smokey Rogers to me, based on an internet search.

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Posted: 23 Apr 2020 10:48 am
by Larry Petree
This is just a wild guess, the guy on the right looks like a very young Billy Mize, But he was usually in Bakersfield or LA area.

Posted: 23 Apr 2020 11:55 am
by Landon Jarrel
It is not Smokey Rogers.

Posted: 23 Apr 2020 3:18 pm
by Lee Baucum
And look at that guitar!

Looks like maybe a Martin 0-45 or O-42.

Jimmy Rodgers' guitar?

Posted: 23 Apr 2020 5:01 pm
by Brad Bechtel
I'm thinking that's Leon Rhodes on the right side.

Posted: 23 Apr 2020 5:12 pm
by Lee Baucum
Jack or Bill Drake?

Posted: 23 Apr 2020 7:40 pm
by Scott Thomas
He strikes me as a sideman, but why would he be in a group picture with those singers?

(And yes, I think Ernest Tubb is holding Jimmy Rodger's custom made 1927 Martin 000-45. Rodger's widow loaned it to him when Jimmy passed away and Tubb played it for the next 40 years. It has "thanks" written on the back of it.)

Posted: 23 Apr 2020 7:53 pm
by Dave Mudgett
Brad Bechtel wrote:I'm thinking that's Leon Rhodes on the right side.
I agree that it does resemble Leon. But if that picture is really from 1947, then that would make Leon 15 years old, having started playing guitar one year earlier, and he joined ET's band in 1960 - https://www.vintageguitar.com/2858/leon-rhodes/

Posted: 24 Apr 2020 2:11 am
by Brad Bechtel
Dave Mudgett wrote:
Brad Bechtel wrote:I'm thinking that's Leon Rhodes on the right side.
I agree that it does resemble Leon. But if that picture is really from 1947, then that would make Leon 15 years old, having started playing guitar one year earlier, and he joined ET's band in 1960 - https://www.vintageguitar.com/2858/leon-rhodes/
So much for that idea...

Posted: 24 Apr 2020 6:25 am
by Roy McKinney
Not Billy Mize, he would have been 18 in that picture.

Posted: 25 Apr 2020 5:42 am
by Norman Evans

Posted: 26 Apr 2020 4:02 pm
by Donny Hinson
Still wondering about this guy...maybe we're wrong thinking he was from Tubb's band? Could'a been another singer, maybe...Rex Allen?


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Or...Tex Williams?


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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 5:04 pm
by Mitch Drumm
I don't think it's anybody yet mentioned.

Of the 5 known guys, only 2 have any known connection to the Tubb band.

The other 3 are well known LA guys.

The unknown guy could well be LA as well.

Are the 2 guys shown below the same person??
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Posted: 27 Apr 2020 10:49 am
by Will Houston
how do you know the pic is from 1947? I don't think it is ET looks older than 33 and EF looks older than 28. Not thinking about this pic I pulled up a Texas Troubador vid on utube this morning with Leon Rhodes on guitar and if that ain't Leon in that pic....I don't know ??

Posted: 27 Apr 2020 11:17 am
by Mitch Drumm
Leon Rhodes in 1949; the year he turned 17.

Heavy eyebrows, broad nose.

I don't think so.

I agree that the 1947 date is dubious, but certainly possible.

Roy Hogsed and Eddie Kirk never recorded until mid 1947.

Ernie Ford first recorded in 1949, although he was certainly active in LA before that.

I also agree that Ford looks older than 28, but that can be deceiving............Roy Hogsed, third from left, is only 10 months younger than Ernie.

Eddie Kirk is 1 month younger than Ford, but those sunken cheeks means he is one of those guys who could buy beer at 15. He looks 40 in this pic, but he's 28 if 1947 is correct.

How old is the guy on the far right?


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Posted: 27 Apr 2020 11:51 am
by Will Houston
You got a good one going here Brad :D

Posted: 27 Apr 2020 7:38 pm
by scott murray
no idea but I'd believe Rex Allen
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Posted: 3 May 2020 7:35 am
by Craig A Davidson
If Butterball is in the picture then the guy on the end would not be Leon Rhodes.