Page 1 of 1

Unique Hungarian lap steel

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 2:10 am
by Andy Volk
Eastern European builders definitely have their own sensibility and decorative traditions. It's almost like they shot all the parts out of a cannon and this how they landed.

Image

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 2:13 am
by Steve Knight
There are a lot of unusual features; but, the inlays at the 2nd and 14th frets jump out at me. I've never seen them placed there before.

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 2:35 am
by Glenn Wilde
It's kinda cool, did you get it? How's it sound?

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 3:05 am
by Andy Volk
The back is even wackier than the front! And no, I do not own it - just a pic from the web.

Image

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 4:05 am
by Jim Graham
Steve Knight wrote:There are a lot of unusual features; but, the inlays at the 2nd and 14th frets jump out at me. I've never seen them placed there before.
I noticed that as well, I think it may be laid out for a particular scale related to the local culture. (?)

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 4:12 am
by Andy Volk
I would vote for it just being a design feature - an add-on to the traditional markers.

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 7:27 am
by Erv Niehaus
I wonder what function those items on the back side serve?
Erv

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 7:33 am
by Keith Glendinning
Hungarian Minor scale ?

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 7:37 am
by Jack Hanson
Hungarian goulash.

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 7:44 am
by Keith Glendinning
Just found this on Wiki
A Hungarian Gypsy:
A B C D♯ E F G♯

C Hungarian Gypsy:
C D E♭ F♯ G A♭ B

E Hungarian Gypsy:
E F♯ G A♯ B C D♯

The structure of this scale is (w = whole-step, h = half-step, + = augmented

2 1 3 1 1 3 1

I also remembered it from “The Guitar Handbook” by Ralph Denyer. ( I bought a copy in Kuwait in 1983) A great book covering a multitude of guitar subjects.
Keith.

Keith.

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 7:56 am
by Keith Glendinning
I’ve found this in the book, which may explain it better.
Keith.

Image

Re: Unique Hungarian lap steel

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 8:39 am
by Michael Maddex
It is either strung backwards (to our way of playing) or else it is the left-handed model.
Andy Volk wrote:... It's almost like they shot all the parts out of a cannon and this how they landed.
Careful Andy, you may be giving away Trade Secrets. 8)

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 8:47 am
by Erv Niehaus
The Hungarians were SO successful with this guitar they went on to invert goulash! :whoa:
Erv

Posted: 23 Oct 2019 9:09 am
by Steve Knight
It's probably coincidence, but the inlays work out to be the same intervals as a major pentatonic scale, starting from the second note of the 5-note scale. So, if a D pentatonic major scale is

D E F# A B;

and, I make a huge assumption that one of the strings on the instrument is an E, then the inlays line up with those notes of the scale. A pentatonic major scale would start over again at the 10th fret and go up from there. This would sort of a be a "mode" of a pentatonic major scale. The intervals are the same.

We do use the pentatonic major and minor scales, both of which use the same notes in the relative minor key, starting at a different point in the scale.

I like Andy's theory that it's just a design feature.

Posted: 24 Oct 2019 7:00 am
by Chris Walke
Erv Niehaus wrote:I wonder what function those items on the back side serve?
Erv
Perhaps ornate non-slip surface?

Posted: 24 Oct 2019 7:21 am
by Erv Niehaus
It looks like there is some metal involved.
Erv

Posted: 24 Oct 2019 7:41 am
by Bill Groner
It might be two rubber pads held in place by the metal plate? The bottom design looks to me like the black portion is for some gription on the lap?