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JB Arnold
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Posted 24 Aug 2018 10:02 pm |
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So I'm going away from straight 440 and back to Eddies tempered tuning. be nice to have that in my stomp classic as a preset, and there's way to do it BUT! they only adjust in cents, and eddie adjusted the pitch.
IE: My B's are at 440, but the raise to C# is at 437. All my tuners have the ability to do that, but to save it in the stomp, I have to know how many cents that is.
anyone got any idea how to figure that out, or have a chart?
Hoping you do.....
john
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JB Arnold
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Posted 24 Aug 2018 11:42 pm
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found it
Here's a Table of Cents Difference for some frequencies close around 440 Hz:
Frequency Difference
435 Hz −19.78 cents
436 Hz −15.81 cents
437 Hz −11.84 cents
438 Hz −7.89 cents
439 Hz −3.94 cents
440 Hz ±0 cent
441 Hz +3.93 cents
442 Hz +7.85 cents
443 Hz +11.76 cents
444 Hz +15.67 cents
445 Hz +19.56 cents
So, the conversion factor 4 cents / Hz is valid for the purposes of tuning as an exception only very close around 440 Hz.
There is no conversion from Hz to cents and vice versa.
Statement: Cent is a logarithmic unit of measure of an interval, and that is a dimensionless "frequency ratio" of f2 / f1.
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 25 Aug 2018 5:07 am
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The "Cent value-determination of an interval" calculation on this page: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-centsratio.htm is handy for converting any frequency deviation into cents. Works for deviations between ET and sweetened as long as you feed in the actual ET frequency for a given note on first line (Frequency f1), and the actual frequency/pitch you are trying to tune that note to on second line (Frequency f2), like in my example here…
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 25 Aug 2018 6:11 am Re: tuning question
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| JB Arnold wrote: |
| So I'm going away from straight 440 and back to Eddies tempered tuning. |
Just curious. Who is Eddie? |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 25 Aug 2018 6:23 am
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| I used the 4 cents per Hz for many years with tuners. Never seemed to be a problem with tuning. |
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 25 Aug 2018 10:06 am
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| Jack Stoner wrote: |
| I used the 4 cents per Hz for many years with tuners. Never seemed to be a problem with tuning. |
That's because 4 cents is close enough for comfort when all is seen as deviations from the the actual note (any note) on the ET scale.
I cannot imagine that anyone can hear the difference between 4 cents, and the more exact 3.93015843943 cents/Hz.
Any confusion anyone may have comes from the use of the "440Hz" center-marking on tuners, as the center-point should only have been market "0 cent" = zero deviation from the ET scale based on "A<sub>4</sub>"=440Hz – regardless of actual note. |
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Chris Templeton
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Posted 25 Aug 2018 1:26 pm
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Somewhere, Buddy E. talks about playing his steel along with the radio and as a result, he moved away from the tempered tuning and started tuning everything to A440.
Yeah, I know, those 3rds and that E-F lever sound a little rugged tuned straight up.
Sometimes I approach tuning differently. Playing with a band and for playing solo or with two or three players.
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 25 Aug 2018 1:30 pm
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All I know is if the Lead Singer Sings a perfect (root)E 440 note and the harmony singer sings a perfect (third)G# 440 note; that Harmony singer will be FIRED immediately for singing out of tune with the lead singer.
Ricky
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Chris Templeton
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Posted 25 Aug 2018 1:51 pm
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Something to be said for getting those "beat notes" out.
I think Buddy tuned most of the the notes to harmonics and made minor adjustments from there.
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 25 Aug 2018 3:08 pm
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| Chris Templeton wrote: |
| Somewhere, Buddy E. talks about playing his steel along with the radio and as a result, he moved away from the tempered tuning and started tuning everything to A440. |
That is the most tempered tuning there is – called Equal Temperament, so B.E. most definitely did not move away from tempering. |
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Chris Templeton
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 26 Aug 2018 5:32 am
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| Ricky Davis wrote: |
All I know is if the Lead Singer Sings a perfect (root)E 440 note and the harmony singer sings a perfect (third)G# 440 note; that Harmony singer will be FIRED immediately for singing out of tune with the lead singer.
Ricky |
Singers (good ones, that is) don't screw around endlessly staring at tuners, they concentrate on sounding good. Steel players should do the same.  |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Aug 2018 6:36 am
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| Ricky Davis wrote: |
All I know is if the Lead Singer Sings a perfect (root)E 440 note and the harmony singer sings a perfect (third)G# 440 note; that Harmony singer will be FIRED immediately for singing out of tune with the lead singer.
Ricky |
 Well said, Ricky.
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Floyd Lowery
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Deland, Florida, USA
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Posted 26 Aug 2018 7:22 am
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I was friends with a very good steel player you all know. At one time he told me he was tuning everything to 440 and I could not figure how he was getting away with it. I finally guessed he was just playing everything so fast and not using that much harmony. He is tuning differently now I feel sure. That was a lot of years ago.
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JB Arnold
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Longmont,Co,USA (deceased)
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Posted 27 Aug 2018 9:59 am
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Lee: Eddie Fulawka. He has his own tuning chart he used to set up his guitars.
All-thanks for the input-as I got better I noticed that there was an off sounding interval or two that were sticking out, especially on recordings. moving to this new chart has fixed that.
JB
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