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Topic: Fender 400 copedent thoughts? |
Russ Tkac
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Posted 15 Sep 2005 6:28 pm |
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Here is my copedent. I have "Day" setup on pedals 3&4. Let me know your thoughts. If you see how I can make this better...let me know! 
0--1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8
1--G#----------A-------------------G
2--E-------Eb--------------Eb--F----
3--B---------------C#--Bb--Bb-------
4--G#----------A-------------------G
5--F#-------------------------------
6--E-------Eb------------------F----
7--D---C#--------------C#-----------
8--B---------------C#---------------
[This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 15 September 2005 at 07:29 PM.] [This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 15 September 2005 at 08:16 PM.] |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 15 Sep 2005 8:19 pm
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How about the A6 tuning and copedent right out of the (downloadable) Fender manual?
If you don't play straight country, it's a heck of a great setup. Good for Western Swing, Rock, Blues. IV chord on pedal 1, minors on 2, 7th on 3, some weird thing on 4 (1 and 4 down a half step), sus4 on 5 and 6ths dropped a half step on 6. 7 would bring your roots up a half step (I only have 6 pedals).
From a theory standpoint I'm clueless, but from a playing standpoint it's easy to jump around and make usable music. I don't know any better, but I like it. |
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Ron Castle
From:
West Hurley,NY
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Posted 16 Sep 2005 2:15 am
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I don't know the capabilities of the 400 changer- assume dbl raise/lower:
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
G# A G
E Eb F F#
B C# Bb C#
G# A A
F# G
E Eb F
D C#
B C# Bb A
I think this makes best use of adjacent pedals[This message was edited by Ron Castle on 16 September 2005 at 03:16 AM.] |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 16 Sep 2005 2:47 am
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Ron ..the 400 and 1000 Fenders are SINGLE raise and lower with no possibility of tunable splits..
Baz
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Russ Tkac
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Posted 16 Sep 2005 3:53 am
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I've played E9 for years and want to be able to play what I know on the 8 strings and add good changes. I do use pedal combinations and will look at moving 7 to 5 but I’ll lose a nice change in combination of 4&5.
If I had a 10 string I think I'd try the "Mooney" tuning with the G# on top and the low bass. Yes, the single raise and lower is challenging.
Thanks
Russ
[This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 16 September 2005 at 04:55 AM.] [This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 16 September 2005 at 06:15 AM.] |
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Jerry Tillman
From:
Florida
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Posted 16 Sep 2005 6:02 am
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| I have some fender 400s and a d-8.I play mostly the e-9 tuning but different types of music and I find I miss the high f# and the combinations I get with the other strings.I also miss the eb. I think I want a 10 string tuning out of 8 strings.I love the tone from my 400 and also the d-8 with the wide plastic Jazzmaster type pickups.I don,t think you can get those tones with other types of steels with or without pedals.That big peice if ash(?)with the metal frame around it seems to do something.I,m thinking of tuning my d-8 to two e9 tunings,first neck 1 thru 8 e9 and second neck 3 thru 10.Then I can do most of my licks even if I change necks for different verses and songs as I tend to stay in an area for a while once I get there.This might not make much sense.My two cents worth. lakeshrk |
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John Daugherty
From:
Rolla, Missouri, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2005 6:06 am
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Moon always had a G# on top (he calls it Ab),even with his 8 string Fender 1000. His 2nd pedal was the only pedal that pulled 2 strings (3rd & 4th string).
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Ron Castle
From:
West Hurley,NY
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Posted 16 Sep 2005 1:55 pm
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I assumed dbl l/r since Russ has 2 lowers on
strs 2,3& 7 already? |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2005 1:57 pm
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Russ, your copedent makes perfect sense if you play with both feet on the pedals. If you don't, you really should move the E to F pedal over next to the B to C# raise.
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Russ Tkac
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Posted 16 Sep 2005 4:38 pm
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Ron,
You can lower or raise the same pitch on the string with all the pedals. You can't lower or raise two different pitches on the same string.
b0b,
It looks like the E to F pedal should be moved but I am getting better with two feet!
Russ |
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