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Ol' Shobud PJH?
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 1:07 pm
by Chad Lanier
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 1:56 pm
by Douglas Schuch
Interesting instrument. Maybe Ricky Davis will chime in here, but it's an early 70's round-front SD-10. I'd say that is an original LDG - which began in '73 with two-hole pullers on a 1-up/1-down changer (which Ricky considers the best Sho-Buds for tone, flexibility, and play-ability). Give me a serial number and I can tell you exactly what year it was built.
I think some of those knee-levers were added - they are not the teardrop levers I would expect to see on this era guitar, but then, you just never know?
I'd guess the initials are the original owners. Are they under the lacquer, or on top?
But ultimately, I'd say that is the a great LDG to hold onto. Ricky???
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 2:09 pm
by Herb Steiner
I would bet it was a custom order for an LDG-style guitar but with the owner's initials instead of the standard right front decal.
Pat Heller, are you out there?
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 2:29 pm
by Chad Lanier
Thanks for the quick response! The initials appear to be under the lacquer, and the closest thing I can find to a serial number is 1-A-3:
Overall this sounds interesting, I'd be very grateful to hear more about the history of this instrument.
Chad
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 2:31 pm
by Ricky Davis
Yes like Herb and Douglas have mentioned; it was probably a custom order. As Sho~bud was certainly a custom shop and would build to order. BUT!!!ha..
This does look like the LDG time started; but right after the change to adding a raise hole on fingers 4 & 5 to set up Nylon tuning system...so certainly 1974. (like Douglas asked:"What is the serial number".
Oh back to the "BUT"..ha..... the LDG was endorsed by Lloyd Green. If it was going to be a LDG; it has to have "LDG MODEL" on the front and under lacquer and "emerald green" is the color. And I say all this as looks like no before drill holes under for other neck and a SD-10 endplate like LDG. And that plastic 3D fretboard came out 1974 and like douglas said; it has non original knee lever bars on it. Pretty cool ShoBud...round front with a original Bill Lawrence 705(very hard to find) pickup in it. I haven't a clue who P T H is; but who cares..it's yours now..ha. and it's a KEEPER!!!.
Ricky
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 2:35 pm
by Ricky Davis
Chad 1-A-3 is not the serial number; that is a casting stamp. The serial number will be on the other part of that endplate....at end of the last crossbar of the mechanism side... I see something kind of stamped over there; but bad shot.
Ricky
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 2:46 pm
by Chad Lanier
Ah - duly noted. Thanks Ricky, the serial number appears to be 4364. It's kind of hard to see on account of this particular room having very low lighting.
Chad
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 3:30 pm
by Ricky Davis
Wow Chad; serial #4364 was born October 1973....5 months after the birth of LDG....way cool.....OH and you see how there a kind of Green tint on that wood plaster underneath..?? They only did that where they put a little of the Emerald Green tint in the plaster they finished the LDG's with...and they only did that that first year of the LDG....so certainly now that tells me; it was certainly a Custom order for someone...well that someone is that PTH guy...ha.
Ricky
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 3:41 pm
by Ricky Davis
Gosh now I have to ask(and yes none of my biz..no worries); but how much did you "recently purchased" it for??
Did that guys say where he got it? from ?? can you find out and any down the line history??
Hey put original knees back on that>
http://www.psgparts.com/Lever-Knee-Tear ... -105-1.htm
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 3:44 pm
by Ricky Davis
Here's mine Chad. 2nd LDG made as Lloyd got his in May 1973, so mine was built then too.
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 5:39 pm
by Pat Heller
PJH are my initials and I was playing SHO-BUD's back in 73---- but it wasn't my guitar. Wish it was now though, nice horn!! P H
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 6:05 pm
by Douglas Schuch
Small point - I read the letters as PTH - the T (or J) has the same curves and features as the vertical part of the P. I'm guessing in that script a J would have a much more distinct tail on it.
Posted: 11 Jan 2018 6:18 pm
by Chad Lanier
I really appreciate everybody's input on this guitar, it sounds like I scored a pretty good deal considering I paid $1600. I wish I could find out the backstory from the previous seller, but I picked this up from the Walmart of Guitar stores (not sure if breach in forum etiquette to announce specific store, but I'm sure you know who I'm talking about).
I did take a risk in buying sight unseen (no pics online, just vague description), but when I opened the box I knew I had something special.
Either way I think me and this guitar could last a lifetime. I have full intentions of playing it often and making sure it stays in top shape.
Any good tech's in Atlanta ya'll know about?
Chad
Posted: 12 Jan 2018 8:22 am
by Gene Haugh
Chad,
I got the production card for your Steel and the Card reads,
LDG 6150 Ser. Number 4364
Date built - 10/26/1973
Built by - C.K. (Don't know)
Checked by Yasu Kameya
Date shipped - 11/9/1973 to SHO~BUD for Jessie Pratt.
At the bottom of the card is a note (consignment - Billie 4/16/74 #1728) don't have a clue of what that means.
All I have
Gene Haugh
Posted: 12 Jan 2018 10:16 am
by Gene Haugh
Chad,
Just another little bit of information, this guitar was the 32nd LDG built!
Gene
Posted: 12 Jan 2018 10:31 am
by Gene Haugh
Lloyd's guitar was built 5/7/73 and one other 6150 was built in May.
1 - in June, 1 - in July, 1 - in August
19 - in September and 18 in October.
Gene
Posted: 12 Jan 2018 1:48 pm
by Jerry Malvern
I own 4372.
Ldg
Posted: 12 Jan 2018 2:56 pm
by George Duncan Sypert
I recently had my hands on the one built in July of 73. It had LDG on the Front and was red. It shipped from the factory on July 31 of that year per info I got from Gene.
It had been returned to the factory at some point and had some knee levers added along with a verticle. It also had a mod made to the changer to allow for a double raise on strings 4 & 5. It was a really nice guitar and sounds great.
Good find on that guitar in the post. A keeper for sure.
George
Ldg
Posted: 12 Jan 2018 3:04 pm
by George Duncan Sypert
Chad if possible I would like to see a really good close up of the bell cranks, etc. if the 4th string is being lowered.
Also if the second string is being lower a full tone and with a half stop feel by the 9th string lower.
Just curious about it was set up.
Thanks. You could email it to me if you don't want to post it on the forum.
George
Posted: 12 Jan 2018 4:19 pm
by Craig A Davidson
Gene Haugh wrote:Lloyd's guitar was built 5/7/73 and one other 6150 was built in May.
1 - in June, 1 - in July, 1 - in August
19 - in September and 18 in October.
Gene
So the other one must be Ricky's then.
Posted: 12 Jan 2018 4:38 pm
by George Duncan Sypert
Also wondering which knee lever is used to lower the E's.
The one I had recently had the E lower on the Left Right.
Thanks,
George
Posted: 13 Jan 2018 8:41 am
by Chad Lanier
Posted: 13 Jan 2018 1:45 pm
by Edward Rhea
WOW!!
What a great looking guitar!
Posted: 16 Feb 2018 2:57 pm
by Jon Irsik
Beautiful guitar. One day I want to find one of these with these exact mechanics...looks like they're getting harder to come by.