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Fingers & 4 note runs

Posted: 27 May 2005 9:21 am
by Ed Mooney
I was wondering what fingering experienced players used on fast four note reverse rolls or runs. Say you’re at the 10th fret AB pedals down. You play strings 3, 4, 5, 6 then go to 8th fret play strings 3, 4, 5, 6 then the 5th fret AB pedals down, strings 3, 4, 5, 6 finish at 3rd fret, Block all notes . Pardon my use of a not a very musical example but hopefully you get the idea. My inclination is to play it fingers 2, 1, T, T but 2 , 2 , 1 , T seems like it would be more efficient. While I’m asking, if these were forward runs which fingers would you use? I apologize in advance if this is a dumb newbie question.

Ed Mooney
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Posted: 27 May 2005 3:52 pm
by Eric West
T 1 2 T

Crossing over and blocking.

Kind of tricky, but it's the only way I've found to play one of Gary Morse's favorite licks.

If I thought I could play that run as well as he can by shaving my head, out would come the razor.

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Posted: 28 May 2005 3:58 am
by John McGann
w/3 fingerpicks a la Joe Wright: 321T

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Posted: 28 May 2005 9:46 am
by Ed Mooney
Eric, that is tricky. Are you palm or finger blocking?

John, I use 3 fingerpx….3 2 1 T seems obvious now. Thanks

Ed

Posted: 28 May 2005 9:57 am
by Jeff Lampert
I just played it using 2,T,1,T three times in a row.

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Posted: 28 May 2005 10:02 am
by Ricky Davis
Finger;Thumb;Finger;Thumb>crossover(1;T;1;T)
And going up would be the same thing>(T;1;T;1)
Or if you use the (2)second finger better.
Ricky

Posted: 28 May 2005 10:17 am
by Bill Baseman
This is a very helpful post since I am trying to understand how this thing works. Do you block after each note picked or after each series of notes picked (apologies if this is obvious to some)?

Bill

Posted: 28 May 2005 11:09 am
by Eric West
Mr M. Sorry. I misread your string numbers. I'd so 1 t 1 t or as Jeff. Sometimes blocking is dodgy, usually crossing over guarantees blocking. Usually when incorporating a forward playing of 1 and 2, it's probably not blocked.

Don't get real hung up on "pick blocking" as it's one of those things that happens automatically, or not at all. After a few years, your palm/ring or little finger resting on the strings you don't play becomes your baseline, if you don't spend a lot of time agonizing over it.

Sorry for the reading mistake. Long week.

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Posted: 28 May 2005 11:26 am
by Dean Parks
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR><SMALL>T 1 2 T

Crossing over and blocking.

Kind of tricky, but it's the only way I've found to play one of Gary Morse's favorite licks.</SMALL><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eric: I know it's not relevant to this thread's example, since you corrected a misread ... BUT... I noticed on the Leno Dierks Bentley song last week that Gary uses 3 finger picks.

-dean-

Posted: 28 May 2005 2:45 pm
by Eric West
Yes he does.

When he played here, his '69 Green Professional, I noticed when "jamming" on a couple Waylon Jennings songs he played some up and down 4 note licks with his thumb and three fingers, in triplets. Gary plays a VERY definite and strong technique. I tried to do the 'up and down' licks on four strings with T,1,2, and found that the best I could do was T 1 2 T 2 1 T, and I usually missed on the last thumb.

I suppose like my experience, taking it SLOW, at first and working up speed over a month or two, would probably get a three pick player there, but I don't seem to have the time inbetween working all week and gigging every weekend.

I'm just getting old...

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