Pedal 0. Same old question - different approach?

John Poston · From: Albuquerque, NM, USA

I've set up my Pedal 0 with G# to G. I plan on using this for about a month, then trying PF lowers on 5 and 6 for another month and seeing which I like better.

I've searched all the old topics on this, and didn't see much of a side by side comparison of the unique chords each can give you. That is, not specific licks or chords which can be played in another position, but chords which would be unattainable without said pedal.

Here's my copedant. I'd appreciate any insight from people with a similar setup on their instruments.
What can you do with G# to G that you couldn't otherwise? Or what can you do with PF lowers on 5 and 6 you couldn't do otherwise? Or heck, what about 6th string G# to A#? - that could be cool, too.



      0   A   B   C    LKL  LKV  LKR  RKL  RKR


F#                                    +G#


D#                                    +E   -D/C#    


G#   -G       +A            


E                +F#   +F        -D#       


B        +C#     +C#        -A#


G#   -G       +A


F#                                    +G#


E                      +F        -D#           


D                                          -C#


B        +C#                -A#

Thanks everyone.

Jim Eaton · From: Santa Susana, Ca

IMHO - the additional minor chord positions that are made possible with a "0" pedal allow for expanded choices with less bar movement and as such make it rate higher to me than the "PF" lowers. I have "0" ped on my SD-12 MSA and the PF change on my Emmons and I find that I use the "0" change more often in my playing that I use the "PF" change. But, this is MHO.
JE:-)>

Jerry Hayes · From: Virginia Beach, Va.

Hey John, here are a couple of things to try with your setup.

When doing a blues shuffle such as "Kansas City" or a tune like that say in the key of A at the 5th fret. When it goes to the D (IV) chord instead of using pedals A & B, use O and A and see what happens. You'll like it.

Here's an intro using just the O pedal and strings 3,4,& 5. Go to the G chord on the 3rd fret. For the intro start at the 7th fret with only the O pedal, slide back chromatically to the the 5th fret, slid from the 5th to the 7th then to the 8th fret with no pedal and back to the 7th with the O pedal to the 5th and back to the 3rd fret while releasing the O pedal. Add a little vibrato and you'll see how cool that one little change is....JH in Va.

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Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

The thing I teach my students; is if you can't imagine or know what you want to do with a certain change; don't put it on or change it.
As soon as you know there are certain things in your playing that you would like to do/expand on/try because you now understand it> that is the best time to put changes on your Steel.
Ricky

Alan Shank · From: Woodland, CA, USA

Not only does the G#-G change give you another minor position, it gives you a bunch of 7th/9th positions on the usual string groups. For example:

with G and F lever: dom 7th with R, 3, 7
with A pedal, G and E lever (E to D#):
same chord, up 4 frets
with A pedal, G and F lever: dom 9th, no root, no 5th
with A pedal and G: diminished triad - can be a V7 or a diminished 7th

I have the Franklin pedal on pedal 0 and the G#->G on RKR lever, so I can use the E9 pedals and either the E or F lever with it.

Just to clarify, I have:

4,8 E->F LKL
4,8 E->D# LKR
2 D#->E, 1 F#->G# LKC
2 D#->D, 8 E->D RKL
3, 6, 10 G#->G RKR

(I have no D string, but B on 9 and G# on 10. I used to play a U12 and when I switched to a double neck I made the E9 more like the Uni.)
Cheers,
Alan Shank

Franklin · Posted 5 Apr 2005 7:36 am

Ricky,

Well said!

Paul

[This message was edited by Franklin on 05 April 2005 at 08:53 AM.]

Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

Thanks Paul.
And Speaking of Paul Franklin...ha....Nobody in their right mind would put the 6th string G# lower TWO whole tones down to E on his guitar; and then start experimenting or having tab/licks shown to him, to find out what he could do...

Paul; first, had some ideas in his playing that he was hearing he would like to do and understood what tone(s)/movement(s) he would like to try/hear; and then he put that Lower two whole tones on; as well as all the different changes Paul comes up with.
Imagine it first. Understand the tones and movements that you want to hear in YOUR playing and go from there.
I can show someone; as well as many others on this forum; 20 licks and phrases/chords..etc...that you can do with every change possible on your pedal steel; but if you don't understand the involvement and reasons a particular change will give you to the music/style that you are playing; than it will go right through ones ear and out the other and never stick in the middle(the Brain part).
Heres the first things one should know about their pedal steel.
Your open strings make a E Chord.
What are the notes of all the open strings.
What notes make up the Major E chord.
What number value are they to the E chord.
What number value do the other note add to the E chord.
From the 0 fret to the 12th fret; how many other E chords can you make.
In those other positions; what is the number value of every string with what ever pedal or knee lever combination you have to make that E chord.
This is just a start of learning what is what; and that right there will get you started to knowing the neck and knowing what the pedal steel just has to offer. And from that; you will learn just what you have to offer to yourself with all the possibilities of all the changes you can have on your pedal steel.
Then come absorbtion and knowledge and progression. Without that; one will not absorb and the knowledge and progression will stop and so with the desire to play the Steel Guitar.

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Ricky Davis

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John Poston · From: Albuquerque, NM, USA

hmm

[This message was edited by John Poston on 03 April 2006 at 10:43 AM.]

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