Msa 5x4 E9 copedent 1974?
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Msa 5x4 E9 copedent 1974?
I was going through some old papers and found the original MSA usuers manual that goes to my guitar. And I found something that I always wondered about but didn't know why
To start, my guitar is a 5x4 and originally I thought it was an old C6 neck that someone transferred to E9. And for all this time I really wasn't for sure what I wanted to do with the extra pedals. Now if you look at the chart below you can see what they had intened. I can see the forth pedal but what I don't understand is the 5th. Just raising the sixth string half a tone and not with the third? Is there something useful to have that all alone and to pick the unraised third string? I really don't see what there idea was behind this. Any info will help
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To start, my guitar is a 5x4 and originally I thought it was an old C6 neck that someone transferred to E9. And for all this time I really wasn't for sure what I wanted to do with the extra pedals. Now if you look at the chart below you can see what they had intened. I can see the forth pedal but what I don't understand is the 5th. Just raising the sixth string half a tone and not with the third? Is there something useful to have that all alone and to pick the unraised third string? I really don't see what there idea was behind this. Any info will help
Thanks Jordan
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Well, it gives you an augmented chord in the open position. Also, if the original owner was a two-footer, then that would give you a major 7th when used with Pedal 1. But, both of those would have very limited usefulness. Otherwise, you are right that it doesn't make much sense unless I'm missing something.
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Oh... ten stringer. There are some 10 string Uni ideas floating around. The top 10 strings of a Uni get you most basic Texas Swing but Jazz really relies on s11...so my coped suggestion still gets you that far but truncated on bottom strings.
Alternatively, you have the easy ability to fill out a great E9 coped by adding the Franklin Pedal, and there is surely another floor pedal that would be useful, and I am sure someone has an idea for it.
If the guitar has decent tone and sustain and you are in no rush to buy and try other guitars that could be unsatisfying... I would solicit ideas on how to build your coped out.
Msa is a very good guitar and remains about the best bang for the buck out there. It is by far the most comfortable pedal shape in the biz IMO. You can play barefoot without pain. I have two of them and my MSA Uni on balance is one of my favorite guitars.
Alternatively, you have the easy ability to fill out a great E9 coped by adding the Franklin Pedal, and there is surely another floor pedal that would be useful, and I am sure someone has an idea for it.
If the guitar has decent tone and sustain and you are in no rush to buy and try other guitars that could be unsatisfying... I would solicit ideas on how to build your coped out.
Msa is a very good guitar and remains about the best bang for the buck out there. It is by far the most comfortable pedal shape in the biz IMO. You can play barefoot without pain. I have two of them and my MSA Uni on balance is one of my favorite guitars.
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that was the standard MSA 5&4 setup.. Personally I will never understand the intent, but as a young man that knew nothing about steels at the time, I had it changed to more usable pulls in short order with a couple of Allen wrenches.... bob
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In 1974 I had a single 10 MSA with 5 x 4. It was my first guitar and I had enough trouble figuring out what three pedals and three or four levers did. Reece told me it was set up that way to be able to accommodate either C6 (popular tuning in Texas) or E9. They could mass produce them and then rod them and do setup to accommodate either tuning. Most were set up E9. I don't recall using the 4th or 5th pedal. Usually didn't even attach the pedal rods. The 6th raised alone is weird; I don't recall it but it could have been there and I never used it. Only had that guitar a year; went to 12 strings in '75.
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Oops! Got my strings mixed up. He said string 6, but for some reason I pictured in my mind that 6 was the B string. That makes the pedal even more strange.Donny Hinson wrote:Uhh...I'm kinda dumb when it comes to theory, but did you mean a sus4?Jeff Harbour wrote:Well, it gives you an augmented chord in the open position.
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I had that change on my old ShoBud S-12 for awhile but I raised the 5th string along with it. It gave you an Amaj7 in the open position. One nice move was when you'd want a nice sounding IV to V change you'd just press the pedal and then apply the knee lever which lowered your 5th B string a half and then let off of everything...
I also used it in instrumentals like "Bud's Bounce" so you could do the Bud Isaacs thing of having both strings on one pedal and you wouldn't be using the 3rd string and would save some wear and tear on it as the 3rd always breaks more often than the others...
I have two steels right now, one is a 12 string Marlen with 4 & 4 and a BMI S-12 with 8 & 5... Here's the copedants on both of them. On the BMI the 7th and 8th pedals are applied with the right foot.......JH in Va.
I also used it in instrumentals like "Bud's Bounce" so you could do the Bud Isaacs thing of having both strings on one pedal and you wouldn't be using the 3rd string and would save some wear and tear on it as the 3rd always breaks more often than the others...
I have two steels right now, one is a 12 string Marlen with 4 & 4 and a BMI S-12 with 8 & 5... Here's the copedants on both of them. On the BMI the 7th and 8th pedals are applied with the right foot.......JH in Va.
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