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James Quackenbush

 

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Pomona, New York, USA
Post  Posted 6 Dec 2004 2:58 pm    
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WOW !!.....I guess that goes for the price of an LDG !!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2384&item=3767440670&rd=1
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Daniel J. Cormier

 

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Lake Charles, LA, USA
Post  Posted 6 Dec 2004 3:11 pm    
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Now That's funny right there.If he gets that for it,I'm listing my Mullen d-10,it's newer than this LDG and has two necks. Ought to be able to get twice as much.
By the way Chris Rhode just sold one as good for 1500.00
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Paul E Vendemmia

 

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Olney Maryland Mongomery
Post  Posted 6 Dec 2004 3:43 pm    
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If anyone's looking to buy a single neck steel please don't pay that price!!!!!
that guitar should go for around $1500.00 bucks I hate to see someone get taken for a ride. How some people can sleep at night well I just wonder! hope they see this post first.
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Ricky Davis


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Bertram, Texas USA
Post  Posted 6 Dec 2004 3:51 pm    
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I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree on the one Chris had for sale to be as good as this one your looking at on Ebay(not even close). Most of you may not realize what your looking at and I'll explain in the email I just sent to the seller. I emailed the seller and questioned him on why he was asking so much in his comparison to a new steel that is 5000.00 and Of course I told him that there is no comparison to his LDG and a new steel for 2 grand or 5 grand. He then emailed me back to say that he knows he has a collector item and it's worth that much to him to let it go; and that I should look into the Sho~bud history a little more(ha...) and then I would know what he has.
So I emailed him how much I know about Sho~bud History..ha...and this particular Steel; for his information and who ever else might want this little bit of history info:
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I’ll tell you what you have and the true history.

First of all; Buddy Emmons left Shot Jackson in 1964 to pursue building the “Emmons” pedal Steel.

Shot Jackson and David Jackson did build that LDG but Buddy wasn’t around of course.

Lloyd Green is a long time friend of mine and he DiD play C6th and played a double neck Sho-Bud fingertip for years. But Lloyd was/is a major session player(most recorded steel guitarist in history btw) and none of the sessions were calling for the C6th tuning; and he had an idea of taking off the back neck and putting a pad there; but keeping with the same big body double neck for sound and Shot did that to a Baldwin Crossover that Lloyd had and he fell in love with the idea and so Shot built Lloyd a special Single-10 on a double body and stained it Green and they called it L(Lloyd)D(Dot>his wife)G(Green)(there's more story there) and that was 1973.

Lloyd’s LDG is the very first one built(1973) and actually had a few new Ideas that Shot was working on introducing on the regular pro models that he implemented in the following year (74-75) which was to be the new nylon tuning system. But that first year of the new line of LDG mechanically, had the same system as the pro model at the time(first run of Pro~II’s) and that’s what yours is and I have one of them myself; and they are the barrel tuners behind two hole pullers on round crossbars with the single raise/ single lower fingers. So yes the barrel tuning LDG was only made in 1973 and in the following year the LDG took on the new mechanism that Shot had the idea for; which is the double raise/single lower fixed rod and nylon tuners.

So there’s a little more history to what you actually have.

Yours IS in very mint condition; but unfortunately you won’t be able to sell it for what your asking, so yes I would highly recommend you hanging onto it as the sound of these first year LDG’s are AWESOME.

My interest in yours is for Lloyd Green himself; as he really really wants mine badly..ha….cause he doesn’t actually have that mechanism of the first line of LDG; as I said how Shot did new ideas on the first one made for Lloyd. I was going to buy your LDG for Lloyd as a present to him; as he has done so much for me through the years. But again; the price is too high; as I bought mine for 1000.00 and have found a few for customers of mine(I set them up for them) in the 1500.00 ball park. But I will say this> the sound and playability of this 1st year LDG is PRICELESS; and the LDG's that followed this mechanism for the years to come; don't even come close> excluding Lloyds personal LDG as that's a whole nother story why that one is the best sounding Sho~Bud ever made.

My name is Ricky Davis and I live in Austin.

If you need help redoing your LDG back to Emmons pedals and what ever with the knee levers also…..give me a shout; I’d be glad to help you out pal> this is what I do in my spare time as I still play gigs and sessions almost every day/night.

Ricky


[This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 06 December 2004 at 04:00 PM.]

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kbdrost


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Prospect Heights, IL
Post  Posted 6 Dec 2004 6:03 pm    
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Anybody who would suggest that Ricky Davis "look into the Sho~Bud history a little more" clearly has his head somewhere that the moon don't shine. 'Nuff said.

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David Higginbotham

 

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Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
Post  Posted 6 Dec 2004 6:09 pm    
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Ricky, I am willing to bet he certainly didn't know who you were! How's that go?

"Be careful of the toes you step on today for they may be the same ones you have to kiss tomorrow"

Dave

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Joey Ace


From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Post  Posted 6 Dec 2004 7:04 pm    
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Ricky,
If he doesn't know you, he doesn't know Sho-Buds.

He has put up excellent pix.
Is this a first year LDG?

I noticed he mentioned the D is Lloyd's middle inital.
Of course that's wrong. It's L.
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Lyle Bradford

 

From:
Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
Post  Posted 6 Dec 2004 7:53 pm    
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I wish Ricky would check in to the Sho Bud history some more! We need to know more of that info.
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Ricky Davis


From:
Bertram, Texas USA
Post  Posted 6 Dec 2004 9:56 pm    
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Joey; yes it is a 1st year LDG as described in the second big paragraph above..ha; as that mechanism was only on the LDG for the 1st year.
Lyle; what do you wanna know. I have everything that I've learned from my Mentors and things that I've found out through experience, written down(and will never publish btw).
Even stuff I've retained in my head through memory; I still wrote down. Some folks that I've gotten invaluable info from has been Lloyd of course and Al Udeen and Paul sr. and Duane of course and from David Jackson and Dick Miller through Big Jim Murphy and a few others that remember from a time gone by.
I have never been more interested in the history of anything(well golf); than the Sho~bud and the when;why and where, as that world turned every year and is facinating.
Ricky

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Toby Rider

 

From:
Fort Worth, Texas, USA
Post  Posted 6 Dec 2004 10:09 pm    
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Notice that this LDG still hasn't sold.
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Joey Ace


From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Post  Posted 7 Dec 2004 3:55 am    
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Thanks, RD.

So a very desireable first year instrument, in mint condition...

It's the "TTFAO Factor" that determines the value.
(Try To Find Another One)

I wouldn't be surprised to see it sell for his asking price.
There are collectors and investors who can afford it.
Many aren't even musicians.

Add to this the fact that the seller is offering a 24 hour approval period, and willing to ship worldwide. With foriegn currency being worth more US$ than in a very long time, this might go overseas.

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Drew Howard


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Post  Posted 7 Dec 2004 6:30 am    
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Ricky,

That LDG reminds me of seeing you and Dale play in Michigan this year.

cheers,
Drew

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Lyle Bradford

 

From:
Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
Post  Posted 7 Dec 2004 8:19 am    
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Ricky It is just fun to read the stuff that you know about shobuds. I would say there are very few people have that much knowledge about any of the other brands.
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Andrew Buhler

 

From:
Maryland, USA
Post  Posted 7 Dec 2004 8:39 am    
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Ricky, that is such a wonderful gesture to purchase a 1st year LDG for Lloyd as a present. I hope it works out.
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Stephen Gambrell

 

From:
Over there
Post  Posted 7 Dec 2004 1:25 pm    
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Ricky, would you mind buying me, as a Christmas gift, an "SLG" Cadillac ???
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James Quackenbush

 

From:
Pomona, New York, USA
Post  Posted 7 Dec 2004 2:47 pm    
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I think that it's a nice gesture to think of Lloyd in this way also !!....It was also very nice of Ricky to offer his services to the seller of this LDG... I also do not think that this guy has a clue as to who Ricky is , and doesn't realize what a positive experience it would be to have Ricky in his corner...
Live and Learn !!!...Here's one I learned when I was in Texas .."you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em drink " ......Sincerely, Jim
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Jon Jaffe


From:
Austin, Texas
Post  Posted 7 Dec 2004 2:49 pm    
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(Well Golf)...If you want to do 18 at Great Hills, email me.
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Ricky Davis


From:
Bertram, Texas USA
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2004 12:15 am    
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Hey Jon; you don't have to ask me twice..ha...email on it's way.
Thanks guys for the nice words; but the seller just totally ignored that last email to him..ha..
I'm sure he got swamped with questions and bla bla..that he just as soon let the thing wisk on by and forget it.
I do hope he gets to realize what this particular Sho-bud is and the ultimate condition it's in and does it justice; but playing it and enjoying it living on.
Ricky
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Farris Currie

 

From:
Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2004 4:47 am    
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Hey Ricky,i've emailed him twice,he gets nasty,i told him he should give it to Lloyd,yea!he said no,Lloyd has a bunch already.after finding out he doesn't,i mailed him back,told no he doesn't. He mailed back and said well,he can't play but one at a time anyway!!!Nasty Doode!!probaly don't even play it.collector i guess!!
farris
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Daniel J. Cormier

 

From:
Lake Charles, LA, USA
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2004 6:57 am    
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If This guy had any sence, he would find out who Ricky Davis is.
Hope to play Austin Area In April or May.Will try to get together with Ricky if I can get there a day early.

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Daniel J. Cormier
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http://www.cajunsteelguitar.com email at djcormier@cox-internet.com


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Herb Steiner


From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2004 7:54 am    
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Farris
Let me see... your suggestion to the seller is to take something that belongs to him and GIVE it to someone else, right?

Does that sound like the tax policies of the dreaded, evil, spawn-of-Satan liberal Democrats? It does to me. As in: How 'bout we take YOUR your tax dollars and give it to a *needy* family so they can buy $2.25/gallon premium gasoline for their Cadillac?

Lloyd is not hurting for money, I'm sure. But nevertheless, it would be a nice gesture for you forumites so inclined to BUY this guitar from the seller and GIVE it to Lloyd yourselves.

The seller is out of line with his price, currently anyway. But I know what I'd say if someone TOLD me to GIVE something that valuable away , and I bet y'all would also. It would start with "oh, really...?"

EDIT FOR RE-EVALUATION: I just went back and looked at that guitar, it's the cleanest LDG I've seen, especially for that vintage. Comes with a cover, even . And what does a NEW S-10 cost, one you can get every day from Carter, Derby, Fessy... 2300, 2400 up to 3000? I'd say he might not be that out of line, actually. I bet he gets his 2950 out of this horn.

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Buddy Blackmon

 

From:
Athens, Georgia, USA
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2004 8:37 am    
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My wallet aches
My lips do drool
For that kind of money
Will he throw in a stool???
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Ron Sodos


From:
San Antonio, Texas USA
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2004 8:53 am    
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I emailed him yesterday and he said the guys on the forum are all fools becuse he has an offer for $2600. Well I emailed him back and told him his buyer was the fool cuz thesteel is probably worth about $1500. O well if he is telling the truth about his buyer, more power to him....

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Joey Ace


From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2004 9:28 am    
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I believe this guitar is worth the $2600 offer or more.

It's not unusual to see less desirable later model LDGs sell for $1800. An extra grand for one like this is not unheard of.

That's just my opinion. The truth will be determined, for all to see, at the end of the auction.

Has anyone seen an LDG of this vintage for sale lately? I haven't. If so, how much?

What is a fair price for this instrument?

Take that price and add an "eBay Worldwide Marketplace" factor of 20% to 50%.

Last I heard from Lloyd, there is only one guitar that he intends to play for the rest of his carear. He's found the magic, made
the mistake of putting it away once, it won't happen again.

I can understand the buyer getting short tempered with emails from people with no intentions of buying. I remember selling an old Tele once and being swamped with emails from folks that bought one for $200 many years ago.

This seller is offering a 24 hour trail period. That seems very honorable to me.

And no, I'm not bidding. (Can't afford it)
And I don't know the seller.

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James Lutz

 

From:
Wisconsin
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2004 10:09 am    
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As is always the case, the product is worth exactly whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

I agree it's a highly desireable LDG. I believe it lies somewhere in the 1500-2000 range at best. But it may very well be worth much more or much less to someone else.

Ain't it great we all don't think alike and that makes life much more interesting - or amusing?
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