What is your Copedent ?
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- Tony Prior
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What is your Copedent ?
Meaning, how are your gig guitars setup and what is your preference so that you can play to your best ability ?
We talk about this a a lot, so why not tell all !
ME, typical ABC Emmons,
LKL raise E's
LKR lower E's
LKV lower 6
RKL raise 1,2 and 7
RKR lower 2 x 2, lower 9
Although I like lower 5, I have never really fit that change into what I play, lower 6 is a better fit for me.
C6th, standard peds with 2 levers, lower 3 and raise 4. A 3rd lever would be of value.
Please just tell us what you have and don't try to convince us that what you have is better than what we have !
Of course we should ask questions if we something that looks to be unique and interesting !
Lets see what we got...
We talk about this a a lot, so why not tell all !
ME, typical ABC Emmons,
LKL raise E's
LKR lower E's
LKV lower 6
RKL raise 1,2 and 7
RKR lower 2 x 2, lower 9
Although I like lower 5, I have never really fit that change into what I play, lower 6 is a better fit for me.
C6th, standard peds with 2 levers, lower 3 and raise 4. A 3rd lever would be of value.
Please just tell us what you have and don't try to convince us that what you have is better than what we have !
Of course we should ask questions if we something that looks to be unique and interesting !
Lets see what we got...
Last edited by Tony Prior on 7 Nov 2016 1:24 am, edited 2 times in total.
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- Dale Rottacker
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I think this could be an interesting tread Tony... it’s always interesting to see how others are set up.
I too use the typical Emmon’s ABC, but then robbed rods off of the 4th pedal C6th neck to try and see what all the fuss about the Franklin Pedal was about... found out later I did it wrong though as I only took the 5th string down a half a step instead of a whole... that said, there are still some useful things that can be done with it... I believe it takes you from an open 1 chord to a 3
FLKL---Raise the E’s
RLKL---Lower the 7th F# to E, (Jim Lindsey/Gary Hogue thing)
LKR----Lower the E’s
LKV----Lower the 5th string B, but not the 10th.... May have robbed that for the FP
RKL----Raise 1st to G#, the 2nd to E... Lower the 6th to G# and the 9th to C
RKR----Lower the 2nd D/C#, double stop also on the 7th raising it to G/G# and lower the 9th to C#
I’ve been experimenting with C6th sounds on E9th and have started calling FLKL/RKL/RKR my C6th levers, I know the LKR has a lot of 6th sounds available with it, but those other KL’s mentioned really have some pretty chords associated with them... the 9th string to me being the pivotal string to making it all happen... the LKV also has some cool stuff with the 9th string... I’d have to say that the 9th string is my favorite, especially when I’m trying to find bigger richer chords.
Hope I got all the pulls correct... I’m in my recliner and if it ain’t right in front of me.... well, you older guys get it right... LOL
The C6th neck is pretty much Buck Reids set-up, but I am so lacking on that neck, I’d be hard pressed to tell you what all the pulls are unless I was sitting in front of it.
I too use the typical Emmon’s ABC, but then robbed rods off of the 4th pedal C6th neck to try and see what all the fuss about the Franklin Pedal was about... found out later I did it wrong though as I only took the 5th string down a half a step instead of a whole... that said, there are still some useful things that can be done with it... I believe it takes you from an open 1 chord to a 3
FLKL---Raise the E’s
RLKL---Lower the 7th F# to E, (Jim Lindsey/Gary Hogue thing)
LKR----Lower the E’s
LKV----Lower the 5th string B, but not the 10th.... May have robbed that for the FP
RKL----Raise 1st to G#, the 2nd to E... Lower the 6th to G# and the 9th to C
RKR----Lower the 2nd D/C#, double stop also on the 7th raising it to G/G# and lower the 9th to C#
I’ve been experimenting with C6th sounds on E9th and have started calling FLKL/RKL/RKR my C6th levers, I know the LKR has a lot of 6th sounds available with it, but those other KL’s mentioned really have some pretty chords associated with them... the 9th string to me being the pivotal string to making it all happen... the LKV also has some cool stuff with the 9th string... I’d have to say that the 9th string is my favorite, especially when I’m trying to find bigger richer chords.
Hope I got all the pulls correct... I’m in my recliner and if it ain’t right in front of me.... well, you older guys get it right... LOL
The C6th neck is pretty much Buck Reids set-up, but I am so lacking on that neck, I’d be hard pressed to tell you what all the pulls are unless I was sitting in front of it.
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E9th: 'Day':
P1: Raise 4,5 to F#, C#
P2: Both G#s to A
P3: Both Bs to C#
P4: Raise 6 to A, raise 5 to C# (Isaacs pedal)
LKL: lower Es
LKR: raise Es
LKV: raise 1,2 and 7 (G#,E,G#)- easy to half-pedal for a G on the 7th.
RKL: Lower Bs
RKR: Lower 2 and 9
C6: Standard 'Emmons' for the pedals (4-8):
LKL: - C-B
LKR: - Both Cs to C#
LKV: - Both As to Ab
RKL: - 6th E to F/ 10th C to D
RKR: - Both As to Bb
P1: Raise 4,5 to F#, C#
P2: Both G#s to A
P3: Both Bs to C#
P4: Raise 6 to A, raise 5 to C# (Isaacs pedal)
LKL: lower Es
LKR: raise Es
LKV: raise 1,2 and 7 (G#,E,G#)- easy to half-pedal for a G on the 7th.
RKL: Lower Bs
RKR: Lower 2 and 9
C6: Standard 'Emmons' for the pedals (4-8):
LKL: - C-B
LKR: - Both Cs to C#
LKV: - Both As to Ab
RKL: - 6th E to F/ 10th C to D
RKR: - Both As to Bb
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my copedent
Emmons pedals1,2,3 LKL E-F LKR E-D# RKL !st F# - G 6th G# - G RKR 2nd -D 7th to G
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Re: What is your Copedent ?
Could it be possible to get the Franklin change with the LKV without the steel "taking off" ? Thanks !Tony Prior wrote:
Although I like lower 5, I have never really fit that change into what I play...
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heres mine
e9
ABC pedals
raise Es on lkl
lower Es on RKL
LOWER 2 AND 9 ON RKR
LOWER 5 AND 6 ON LKR whole tones
LOWER 10 ON VERTICAL
c6 pedal 5678 normal
lower 3 on rkl
raise 4 on rkr
mike
ABC pedals
raise Es on lkl
lower Es on RKL
LOWER 2 AND 9 ON RKR
LOWER 5 AND 6 ON LKR whole tones
LOWER 10 ON VERTICAL
c6 pedal 5678 normal
lower 3 on rkl
raise 4 on rkr
mike
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P1-Bs to C#s
P2 G#s to A
P3 E to F#,B to C#
LKL1-Es to Fs
LKL2 6th string G# to F#
LKV Bs toBb/A
LKR 1st F# to G/G#, 2nd D# to E, 7thF# to G/G#
RKL 2nd D# to D, 9th D to C#
RKR Es to Ebs
P2 G#s to A
P3 E to F#,B to C#
LKL1-Es to Fs
LKL2 6th string G# to F#
LKV Bs toBb/A
LKR 1st F# to G/G#, 2nd D# to E, 7thF# to G/G#
RKL 2nd D# to D, 9th D to C#
RKR Es to Ebs
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Ed,
Ricky did mine too. The guitar was a 3 and 1. Now it's 3 and 6.
Thanks again Ricky!
Ricky did mine too. The guitar was a 3 and 1. Now it's 3 and 6.
Thanks again Ricky!
Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
'52 and '56 Pro Amps
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
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You're welcome Eddie and John...I like it too...ha.
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My Dekley is set up as such:
----LKL--LKR---0----1----2----3----4----5----RKL--RKR
F#-----------------------------------------------G#
D#-----------------------------------------------E---D/C#
G#--------------G---------A
E.---F----D#-------------------F#--------F#
B.--------------------C#-------C#---A
G#--------------G---------A---------------------F#
F#
E.---F----D#------------------------------F#
D.-----------------------------------------------------C#
B.--------------------C#-------------A
I received this psg as a 3p * 5l setup. I removed the LKV to add another pedal. It is now a 6p * 4l setup. I am really happy with it!..............Pat
----LKL--LKR---0----1----2----3----4----5----RKL--RKR
F#-----------------------------------------------G#
D#-----------------------------------------------E---D/C#
G#--------------G---------A
E.---F----D#-------------------F#--------F#
B.--------------------C#-------C#---A
G#--------------G---------A---------------------F#
F#
E.---F----D#------------------------------F#
D.-----------------------------------------------------C#
B.--------------------C#-------------A
I received this psg as a 3p * 5l setup. I removed the LKV to add another pedal. It is now a 6p * 4l setup. I am really happy with it!..............Pat
Last edited by Pat Chong on 8 Nov 2016 8:51 pm, edited 10 times in total.
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My setup has somewhat odd knee lever assignments and I don't use an open D string (a la some uni setups) but otherwise it's pretty conventional.
There's no double stop on 2 and I don't lower G# (6) or the Bs (5 & 10).
I don't usually raise the 2nd but I've been trying it for the last month or so.
I don't have the LKV 4th raise on my Emmons because it requires too much travel. Hoping to figure out a fix for that someday. All my other guitars with LKVs have it.
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Re: What is your Copedent ?
Meaning drop 5,6 and 10 on the LKV ?John Sluszny wrote:
Could it be possible to get the Franklin change with the LKV without the steel "taking off" ? Thanks !
My guess probably not, thats a ton of pressure in the wrong direction !
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- Derrick Unger
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Make that two
Reading all these copedents and was wondering all along about favorite extended E9th copedents..I think so was Georg..anyone want to contribute or should this be a fresh thread?
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