The Steel Guitar Forum

You may remember the post a few months back where a member from the Netherlands said he paid $4500 cash in advance for a new Emmons.

He is now disabled and would like to sell it, even though it has not yet been delivered.

The post was closed, thru no fault of his own. I think it turned into an argument of if the guitar even existed.

He trusted Emmons and expected them to work with him.

Today I recieved this email form him:
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they didn't pay me back my $4500
the case is with the attorney general but till today they didn't respond till them

I can't find the words, but this is what I never had expected from a company...
well just to let you know that this or my writing on the forum wasn't just air but honestly true.

greetings
cor
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If anyone could find the original post, please post it.

Of course, Cor is welcome to post here.

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/008225.html

I think this is the one you want Joey.


I can tell you guys that Cor is the most honest man in The Netherlands when it comes to a fair deal.He delivered me some great steel guitar parts that he had no use for.I took them of his hands for a small amount of money.I got 2 endplates,2George L's66,2fretboards(Emmons),2aluminum necks(Emmons)and i paid the man(i think)$300...could be a bit more...but not much.What i want to say is that this man needs our support.If you see this message Cor Please give me a call.

Ron<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Ronald ! on 13 September 2004 at 10:34 AM.]</p></FONT>

That's it. Thanks Ron.

I now recall what happened. The post was closed because Rebecca Lashley requested b0b close it.
b0b on vacation and sent me an email requesting I close it.

Anyway the matter is not resolved.

I don't understand why folks pay cash in advance for anything.

Overhere in The Netherlands it's normal to do business this way.
But at one thing you are right...This is to much money to pay in one time.Even if the Emmons company has a good name.And they do HAVE a good name.I like their Steel guitars.Heck....i owned a couple of them.You know....i am in contact with "Mister Papic" the man with the Promat steels..He only charges a 500 Euro deposid on the P/P.That's about 18%-20%.A fair deal i think.

Ron

20% sounds fair.
Ed Fulawaka has no downpayment. He'll sell it to the next on his list if you don't honor your comittment.

BTW, my emails to Cor get returned undeliverable.

I don't think it is right to close a thread because of a request from a company being "raked over the coals" for lousy business practices. If it was closed because b0b thought it was getting way out of hand (which I don't think it was), that is one thing ,but to close it because Emmons (Rebecca) wanted closed is wrong in my opinion.

After reading the old post again, I believe that if Emmons can provide proof that Cor's guitar actually has been built (actually finished and sitting in a corner somewhere collecting dust), then Emmons should have the right to wait until the guitar is sold before paying back the money. If it has not been built, then Cor should receive a refund (maybe minus a cancellation charge). The key here is proof that the guitar exists at Emmons.

My suggestion to Cor is to take delivery of the guitar and try to sell it. I don't think Emmons is going to put any effort into selling your guitar for you. Why should they? They already have his money.

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Carter D10 9p/10k, NV400

hi guys,

i found out with help of danny hullihen,
that the guitar is never build from the date december 2003 when i paid actually for my first order, and after i paid they said it was sold (very tricky) but then i ask build a new one and they never did till now

cor,jr

ooh and joey thanks for posting but i didn't ask you this because i don't wanna be the one who's blame for this post
i have enough trouble with it
this way of doing buisness cost me already $4500 and that is too much.

i will find another way to reach people and talk about this unexpected thing.

greetings

cor,jr<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 13 September 2004 at 12:22 PM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 13 September 2004 at 12:23 PM.]</p></FONT>

Well said Richard.

And Cor....why don't you take the steel and sell it overhere...whe have a steelmeeting next year...There are a lot of guys that would like to have that axe.Just put it on the net and sell it to someone in The Netherlands or another country nearby.I can't come up with that kind of money otherwise i would say sell it to me.Maybe in a couple of months i can but not right now.But whatever you do........let them deliver the steel.....You payed for it.

There will be someone that would love this steel.It sounds great from what i hear.

Ron

well ron please read this post for sure,

the guitar is never build !!!!!!!!!!!!

cor,jr

Cor
I read the post.


Ron<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Ronald ! on 13 September 2004 at 01:36 PM.]</p></FONT>

no Ronald they have to pay me back my money
and i don't wanna tell you here because of what. and let me tell you this they should started building it from of december 2003
but they didn't and that i was hearing that by somebody else.

cor,jr.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 13 September 2004 at 01:24 PM.]</p></FONT>

instead of asking that the thread be closed
Emmons(Rebecca) should have laid their cards on the table for all to see
2 parties/2 stories

crowbear,

thanks but it is my word to them or reverse
and you know that. but this is true and i would never ever told that if it wasn't

because i was an emmons lover and i still am ( even if i can't play pedalsteel anymore )!

cor,jr<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 13 September 2004 at 02:08 PM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 13 September 2004 at 02:10 PM.]</p></FONT>

Isn't there a wait for new Emmons guitars to be built? I would imagine that someone in line would jump at the chance to buy one that's already built and just sitting there?

It's too bad that a couple of manufacturers and their antics are making it look bad for all those that aren't misusing this low cost outlet for their advertising and promotion.

I hope the guy gets his money.

EJL

thier is more to this than meets the eye. Many folks out there have ordered and received thier Emmons steel guitars .. it takes a while but they get them.
What is it about this sale we dont know.

well ,

just read carefully the steel is never build till now and al i ask is send my money back that's it.


cor

<Bump up><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 14 September 2004 at 08:46 AM.]</p></FONT>

credit where credit is due!give RON JR.a big
hand,he is working hard to save EMMONS.IT'S a
real load to still build a top steel,and keep
a clear mind!it's gotta take its toal on thinking,when struggling with all the other
problems.I respect RON JR.very much,and pray
he can really get it going.from a bussiness
man in the past,hard to keep all going straight.not many good night rests.
farris

so farris you mean it is allowd to keep my money
even if he never take a start to build my guitar order..???

farris currie wrote:

credit where credit is due!give RON JR.a big
hand,he is working hard to save EMMONS.IT'S a
real load to still build a top steel,and keep
a clear mind!it's gotta take its toal on thinking,when struggling with all the other
problems.I respect RON JR.very much,and pray
he can really get it going.from a bussiness
man in the past,hard to keep all going straight.not many good night rests.
farris
<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 14 September 2004 at 09:08 AM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 14 September 2004 at 09:09 AM.]</p></FONT>

i knew i was stepping in,when i said something.two sides to every story!!I believe
this could be straighten out in a orderly
fashion,i would get hold of the source,instead of slinging crap everywhere
else.Something wrong somewhere!!!
farris

I don't believe Cor is "Slinging Crap".
In his original post http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/008225.html
he said he tried many times to contact them.
He also said he paid $4500 last Decemember.

When the post was closed, he respectfully kept it off the Forum. Only recently did he write to me to inform me the matter is still not resolved.

I am the one that posted his update.

IMO, an Emmons dealer on this side of the pond should take possession of this guitar and sell it on Cor's behalf. Normal consignment charges will apply. If he doesn't want to pay consignment fees, the guitar should be shipped to him and he can sell it himself.

Farris, this is NOT the first time that people have come on the forum with problems about Emmons guitar company. After hearing what I've heard, I would not do business with them. Good intentions does not negate questionable business practices.

sorry for anyone i offended.just believe in
contacting the source,and getting to the
bottom of it.anytime i have called and asked
for RON,i usually get him.heck, if he owed me
4500.00 i'd be sitting on his doorstep!!
ha ha oh well, i knew i was stiring up some-
thing,when i say anything.GOOD LUCK TO ALL.
FARRIS

<SMALL>if he owed me 4500.00 i'd be sitting on his doorstep!!</SMALL>

That's pretty hard to do when the buyer is in the Netherlands.