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Topic: Steel Players Who Also Play Electric Guitar |
Billy Henderson
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Portland, AR, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 6:12 am |
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| When you play steel and e/guitar on the same gig do you play through the same amp (Nashville 400) or do you have a different amp and set up? Thanks |
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Chuck McGill
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An hour from Memphis and 2 from Nashville, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 6:17 am
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Billy I'm laboring over that same problem now. I have a set-up with an a-b box on the
output of my Mesa studio pre for steel and
a Boss ME-50 pedal into a PX 300 peavey powered 15BW. It still lacks for the guitar
side. I really don't want to carry 2 amps.
If you get something that works let me know. |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 6:49 am
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Yeah I do the one rig/A+B box/six string on my lap thing too. It works fairly well although a dedicated tube amp for guitar would be more satisfying. I use a ProfexI with a remote midi program changer to switch quickly between steel patches and guitar patches. It took me awhile to dial everything in, but now it comes pretty easily. I use a Boss active A+B box that has a seperate gain control for each side. It kind've works like a "matchbox" when placed between the 2 instruments and my volume pedal.
The big trick was learning to play guitar with fingerpicks and sometimes steel with a flat pick. |
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Ernie Renn
From:
Brainerd, Minnesota USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 7:08 am
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I do both thru the same set-up. Simply I just unplug the cord from the steel and plug it in the guitar. I tried an a/b box, but the cord always got in the way, especially for a quick transition. We don't do set lists so from time to time I can jump around quite a bit. Saving grace is that most of the guitar playing I do is from the pac-a-seat-ed position.
For the tonal differences, I have different settings on a DigiTech 2112. For quick fixes I use an old MXR 6-band graphic equalizer on the steel, too. It's worked just fine since 1981.
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My best,
Ernie
www.buddyemmons.com |
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Ron Sodos
From:
San Antonio, Texas USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 7:22 am
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| I play both. I use to use a Session 400 now I have a Nashville 1000. The way I have always set up is I set the tone on the amp for steel. I go through a graphic eq on the guitar before an A/B switch. So I can redo the tone for the guitar. That way I have the tone set seperately for each instrument. It simulates 2 sepearate channels that way. Works great. I need to do it that way because the only time I play guitar is on rock and blues tunes and the tone is totally different for guitar and steel. |
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 7:22 am
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yep .. I play about 50 50 guitar and steel and for me the line 6 flextone 3 which is a sterio amp is the answere. I have the main amp with a celestion 12"
and a seperate cab with a JBL 15' from the 60's reconed. This combination and a boss AB pedal does the trick just fine.
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Mullen S12
Acoustic 165 100W tube
71 Tele, Regal 45, Gretch
Lap, Columbia Lap, Magnatone S8, Line 6 flextone 3, JBL d130, |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 7:35 am
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I run my steel and guitar to a DOD 270 A/B box, then the output goes to a Brad Sarno Steel Guitar Black Box, then to the V-ped, then to the effects, then stereo to 2 amps.
I have my effects tailored to suit either steel or guitar. Both amps I currently use are single channel amps. |
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Buddy Griffin
From:
Derwood, Maryland, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 8:24 am
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| I have tried many combinations to solve this problem. The best sound for me for both steel and guitar has been using a Session 400 for steel and a tube type guitar amp for guitar. Both guitar and steel first go into the right and left inputs of an Alesis Quadraverb. This is a true stereo input and output box meaning the steel (right) channel feeds a combined "wet and dry" (right ch) output to the Session 400 and a "wet only" (left ch) output to the guitar amp. It is just the opposite for the guitar (left channel). The advantages are you can control the amount of the wet amp sound simply by turning the amp's volume up or down to get the right amount of effect for any given room, you can switch from steel to guitar in mid phrase without hitting any switches and you cannot beat the big fat stereo effect of one amp completely wet and the other mixed. The disadvantage is carrying all that stupid equipment. If anyone knows of a similar but simpler setup please let me know |
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Tom Campbell
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 9:40 am
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| Two guitars...two amps. Six string through Peavey Classic 30 tube amp and steel through Peavey Nashville 400 or 1000. And...every year at physical time, my doctor asks me how I stay in such great shape! I'm 60. |
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Billy Henderson
From:
Portland, AR, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 9:45 am
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| I am going to try a compressor and delay through the lower input on the Nashville 400 and leave the steel in the top hole. That is still lots of "stuff" to have around. I have tried a longer cord from the pedal to steel and just unplug from the steel and plug in my guitar as Ernie does. Lots easier and don't sound too bad and I can sit or stand. I must say though I don't get that just right, satisfying sound. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 9:47 am
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Over the years, I too tried many combinations for both guitar and steel. A Lab with a 15", a Vegas, a Showman built into a 15" combo cab with a rack. Nothing seemed to be satisfactory. If I got the steel to sound good, the guitar just wouldn't sound up to my standard. I finally resolved myself to taking two amps. An old Vibroverb 15 for steel, and a tweed Pro for guitar. We miked everything, so the VV's lack of headroom wasn't a problem, and it sure sounds great for steel. The old Pro has a sub-baffle-board with a Scorpion Plus 12" speaker. It has always sounded terrific for guitar. Of course, I could never leave any of that stuff in a club overnight, so the moving was a pain. Got a dolly.
Good luck, JB[This message was edited by John Billings on 18 June 2004 at 11:48 AM.] |
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Frank Estes
From:
Huntsville, AL
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seldomfed
From:
Colorado
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 10:30 am
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Nashville 112 for steel
Reverend Hellhound tube for the Strat.
They're both small and light weight!
The Nash.112 goes XLR to the PA for extra oomph if needed. The Hellhound has 60watts tube - no prob. with vol. in any room.
Also, I like having two amps just in case
one happens to fail.
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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon"
www.book-em-danno.com
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Cal Sharp
From:
the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 10:53 am
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I saw a band in Indianapolis where the steel player doubled on drums. Had a drum machine when he was on steel. Just when you think you've seen everything... At least he didn't have to worry about plugging in the drums.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2004 11:07 am
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| Moved to Electronics |
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