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Topic: Split Pedal/Knee Combinations |
Robert Porri
From:
Windsor, Connecticut, USA
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Posted 21 May 2004 6:34 am |
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I am working with a Buddy Emmons E9 chord chart that I purchased from the Forum instruction area and this is the first time (I'm a new player) I've encountered the term Split Pedal/Knee Combinations.
I'm just browsing through the chart at this point looking for chord positions I haven't encountered yet for the basic Ma, mi, and 7h chords. I'm happily finding new positions for me that are fun to play and make "easy to find sense" as far as relating to what I'm a little familiar with.
My main questions.
1. What does Split Pedal/Knee Combinations refer to? What is different about it compared to "usual" pedal/knee combinations?
2. Is there something inherent in thier use that causes tuning/intonation to be more of an issue? Or is it just my setup that needs some tuning adjustments?
Thanks,
Bob P.[This message was edited by Robert Porri on 21 May 2004 at 07:38 AM.] |
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Nicholas Dedring
From:
Beacon, New York, USA
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Posted 21 May 2004 6:45 am
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What it means, probably, is having a lower and a raise working on a string at the same time.
For instance: using a knee lever to drop the 6th string a full tone, while using the B pedal to raise it a half tone... the problem is that without doing anything else, it won't split the difference evenly. G#-F# combined with G#-A does not give you a G that is in tune. You need to either have a split tuning screw, or an additional pull rod to balance the split out.
Search for split tuning or splits here and you will find some topics on the subject. However, if you have a push-pull instrument I don't know if it's possible to use splits... just a warning. |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 21 May 2004 8:54 am
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Nicholas is correct Robert.
On my universal I have 8 "split" combinations. It is like getting an extra pedal or knee lever for free. The first PSG I ever saw with the "tunable split" feature was on the original Emmons' LeGrande in the 80's.
Later I understand it had been done using the "extra rod" method. But I never saw it done before the LeGrande.
Note: when you try to split without the "tunable split" feature, the resultant note is usually way sharp. The tunable split is used to counteract this.
carl |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 21 May 2004 10:07 am
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I think the best guitar ever for split combinations without the tunable feature was the old ShoBud Pro 1. I had the one with the double raise/single lower changer with only two positions on the bellcranks and it worked great. I lowered 5 & 10 a half and when used with the A pedal I'd get a very usable C note on both strings. Also on occasion I'd lower the 4th string F# raise on the C pedal with the E lever and that sounded good. For a while I had the 6th string lower on a knee lever using a 0.22 plain string and when I'd raise the string a half tone it'd get a pretty good G note. I really miss that old guitar for this reason only. My current BMI S-12 isn't as precise as the old 'bud. I used a .018 on the 5th string and a .038 on the 10th. Have a good 'un...JH
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 21 May 2004 10:31 am
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Jerry-I'll have to agree with you on the Pro 1.
Very precise on those splits.
I also like the Wide spacing on the strings,(Easy to get my grips in there) and the easy action, along with the wide pedals.
Of course, we know all about that Great Sound .........al 
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 21 May 2004 11:47 am
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My Pro -II ain't as precice, but I have 4 extra rods in there and it works fine like that.
And what it gives is really useful. |
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Jim Smith
From:
Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 21 May 2004 8:44 pm
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FYI, Dekley used the "extra rod" method for splits from 1976 on. I don't think we "invented" it, but I don't recall who we "borrowed" it from either.  |
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Robert Porri
From:
Windsor, Connecticut, USA
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Posted 23 May 2004 3:16 am
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Thankyou for the responses. I have to do some searches for related info as suggested here on the forum. I'm not sure what my GFI Ultra has available for tuning of the splits as mentioned, but I'll have to find out.
Bob P. |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 27 May 2004 7:38 am
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I don't use splits. I tried them, but found that they detracted from the "direct" feel of the pedals. The more hardware you hang on a pedal, the harder it is to feel the string moving. That's my opinion anyway.
Disclaimer: I'm not a professional steel player. Some of my ideas are wacky.
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