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Topic: what year did they quit makin sho bud and why? |
Terry Sneed
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Posted 13 May 2004 6:25 am |
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I'm just curious. I don't even know what year model it was, but my second guitar was a sho bud LDG. a dark green color. probly a 70 somethin model.
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 13 May 2004 7:36 am
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My opinion is they quit making Shobuds about 1977..ha   > Sure they built them till mid-80's but THE Sho~bud sound stopped about '77
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Ben Slaughter
From:
Madera, California
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Posted 13 May 2004 8:56 am
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Ricky, isn't that about the same time they quit making Fenders??
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Ben
Zum D10, NV400, POD, G&L Guitars, etc, etc.[This message was edited by Ben Slaughter on 13 May 2004 at 09:56 AM.] |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 13 May 2004 9:31 am
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I don't know that answer Ben> Sorry.
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 13 May 2004 11:18 am
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Ricky,
I´d be curious to know what features exactly make for the ShoBud sound in your book... do you think the thing that made it end was the double raise/double lower changer or the one afterwards - with all those mixups/hybrids that were built around 1977 it should be sometimes hard to tell. Take my Pro-II Custom which has double raise/double lower changers but the pulling system like the ones before - I still don´t know exactly what year it is - some time between ´76 and ´79 I guess - well to my ear it sounds like a ShoBud, maybe a little on the aggressive side (which I like on the E9, not so much on C6). Of course the Professional I got from you sounds ten times better and has that extra dimension, that´s why I always play out on that one, and cherish it. I think by now I´m really into it.
Best regards,
Joe |
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Ray Jenkins
From:
Gold Canyon Az. U.S.A.
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Posted 13 May 2004 11:25 am
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I think it was about the same time Smiley started playing one. 
Ray
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 13 May 2004 2:33 pm
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Joe; it is after the double raise/double lower that I don't care for...and your right there is some differences mixed up here and there right around that time that were good and were not>in my book.
I mainly didn't like when inferior metals and cut down inferior Maple started happening; so that would go along with any Shobud that didn't use the big Key head stock..ah..ha.....
Heck I play the best sounding Sho-bud Pro II Custom I've ever heard and it's the one Dick Miller customized for Big Jim Murphy; and it has updated Shobud finger tops on it.....but it is still the Great Maple body that took the big key head stock with curved knees...but square front of course..and has that great shobud sound.
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Leslie Ehrlich
From:
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 13 May 2004 2:46 pm
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What's this thing about fingers wearing out? Did later S-Bs come with 'pot metal' fingers? I play an early square top Pro III (wide pedals, tear drop levers, small changer windows - c. 1976?). Would it have aluminum or pot metal fingers?
And I think one of the key elements of the S-B sound is the pickups. The sound reminds me of the P-90 'soap bar' single coil pickups in the early Gibson Les Paul Standards, Les Paul Specials, etc. Quite trebly sounding but not 'twangy'. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 13 May 2004 3:47 pm
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My musings...
As to why Sho~Bud went out of business, it's already been mentioned that the Emmons guitars were outselling them by about ten-to-one shortly after their introduction. I reckon that may have had something to do with Sho~Bud's demise. They did try several iterations to advance the 'Bud's appeal, but nothing worked very successfully. In short, it was an "Emmons world".
Sho~Bud also built a lot of guitars for Fender, and those were reasonably well received, but that certainly didn't do anything to help the Sho~Bud name retain it's popularity, since they all just said "Fender" on the front of them.
I'm not sure exactly where the "Sho~Bud sound" came from in them ol' Buds'. Other guitars (which had Sho~Bud p/ups) still didn't have that trademark mid-scooped sound. After listening to about everything out there today, I'm convinced the Fulawka is as close as it gets to the early "Sho-Bud sound". Had I not bought a new MSA, that's the brand I would have picked.
I hope Bobbe Seymour will chime in here soon, as he probably knows about as much about the Sho~Bud story as anyone!
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 13 May 2004 5:39 pm
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| Donny, brilliant observation about the Fulawka. I totally agree. Its the first thing I thought of when I saw and heard one. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 14 May 2004 5:04 am
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My favorite guitar was my old ShoBud S-12 which I bought in '77. The store had S-10's which had the narrow pedals and triple raise and double lower changers but even though mine was new it had the wide pedals and a double raise, single lower changer. I couldn't seem to get the "ShoBud sound" as the guitar didn't seem to balance out right. I had a Randall Commander II amp at the time and when I'd set the tone where the higher strings sounded good the lower ones would be muddy and if I'd get them sounding good it'd be shrill and tinny on top. I had a friend who had a ShoBud D-10 with Emmons pickups and it sounded great. I ordered an Emmons 12 string single coil pickup and installed it in the ShoBud. I had to cut some of the bottom P/U plate so it'd fit into the existing hole but I got it working and the guitar was wonderful. The whole thing balanced from top to bottom with wonderful tone. I bought a new guitar and sold the 'bud about 13 or 14 years ago and I still miss it to this day, especially that beautiful blue wood body and neck. Have a good 'un, JH
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Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning.
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