What can you tell me about his BUD?

Ian S. Cameron · Post by **Ian S. Cameron** » 23 Dec 2015 2:26 pm

Hey all,

I came across this ad but do not know much about buds myself. I will be getting more pictures of the guitar soon, including the serial number. When I get them I will post them as an update.

The only real question I have is about the black endplate/wrap around piece. Haven't seen that much so I'm not sure if it's after market or just a rarity (or neither?).

Thanks in advance, your input is much appreciated!

UPDATE 12.24.15:

I have received more pictures of the guitar.

http://imgur.com/a/MAceH

Let me know your thoughts!

- Ian

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-guitar/regina/pe ... nFlag=true

Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 23 Dec 2015 3:17 pm

It looks like it might have been a Crossover model at one time, and has been converted to a "normal" D10. Or, it might be a transitional model, since Sho-Bud did all sorts of one, or two-off things throughout their history.
The black pieces were stock on the Crossover.
This could be a very cool gtr...or not. I'd try to get as many detailed pics of the underneath and the changers as you can before you throw down on this one...

Ron Pruter · Post by **Ron Pruter** » 23 Dec 2015 5:02 pm

It looks cool. It's old, it's heavy.

Dave Campbell · Post by **Dave Campbell** » 24 Dec 2015 4:31 am

it seems like the black endplates are normal for a crossover, which this guitar appears to be. given the state of the CDN dollar these days, it's a pretty good deal.

Marco Schouten · Post by **Marco Schouten** » 24 Dec 2015 6:05 am

But if lever is missing, so it's not sure that the mechanism is working. On the other hand, it has 8 pedals, two more than a typical crossover, so it may indeed be converted. Be sure to check it carefully.

Ian S. Cameron · Post by **Ian S. Cameron** » 24 Dec 2015 12:56 pm

Ian Worley · Post by **Ian Worley** » 24 Dec 2015 1:32 pm

As Skip said, it's a late '60s Crossover model with the crossover system removed. Pedals 1-3 work the E9 neck, 5-8 on C6, just like they're supposed to. The undercarriage looks clean well maintained.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 24 Dec 2015 1:46 pm

Crossover conversion. Cast aluminum frame. They sounded very good! I had one/ but not converted. Play E neck, sounded great. Switch to the C6th neck, sounded great. Switch back to the E9th neck , and totally out of whack! It was stolen, and I never missed it much. Saved like crazy and bought a D-10 Pro in 1972.

Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 24 Dec 2015 4:46 pm

Looks pretty cool, in good shape. Mostly stock parts (or repro of stock) and some custom parts. Could use a RLR lever. Rack and Barrel is a tried & true system that does what it's supposed to.
If the price is right, this could be a cool old Bud.

John Brabant · Post by **John Brabant** » 25 Dec 2015 8:53 am

Looks pretty and as stated, well taken care of, guitar and case. Based upon the current exchange rate, that would work out to a little over $1300 U.S. dollars. Not bad.

Ian S. Cameron · Post by **Ian S. Cameron** » 7 Jan 2016 10:07 am

Can anyone tell if this guitar still utilizes pot metal parts? If so, which parts and to what degree is this detrimental to the guitars playability/maintenance?

Thanks for all the great info thus far, it is much appreciated!

- ian

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 7 Jan 2016 10:09 am

No pot metal. Lots of aluminum!

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 8 Jan 2016 1:55 am

It's a nice Sho Bud, converted or not, it's now basically a Professional, rack and barrel system (brass barrels). Excellent sounding Steels, very heavy !

Ian, pot metal parts didn't begin to arrive until Sho Bud went to the 5 hole puller system in the late 70's, or thereabouts. Very easy to distinguish from previous all pull systems systems such as the one pictured.

Narrow pedals, no more Gumby keyheads , all pull design to a 5 hole puller , changers were common to be at least a 3 up and 2 down, ( my early Pro I ) maybe more..This era is also referred to as the Super Pro systems. They followed the Pro I,II and Pro III's with the two hole pullers which used the brass swivels. Those two hole puller system guitars followed the rack and barrel ( Professional) series.

The Steel in the photo is prior to the Professional series but probably not by much.

I personally wouldn't be afraid of that guitar in the photo!

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 8 Jan 2016 10:08 am

i wonder why they put collars behind the barrels?

Rick Abbott · Post by **Rick Abbott** » 8 Jan 2016 2:29 pm

I'll bet the set screw in the barrel is insufficient to keep the barrel in place. Might hold ok for tuning but not enough when a lever is mashed. It's not such a bad idea.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 8 Jan 2016 6:29 pm

Rick,
I've never found a collar to be necessary. Maybe if one is a real pedal smasher?
Best,
JB

Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 8 Jan 2016 8:41 pm

Pete Drake's crossover was a KILLER...it was terrible to play(I played it on the"Midnight Jamboree"one night)but under Pete's hands it sounded like a million dollars!I'd play one every day if they weren't so heavy!

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 9 Jan 2016 8:13 am

Rick Abbott wrote:I'll bet the set screw in the barrel is insufficient to keep the barrel in place. Might hold ok for tuning but not enough when a lever is mashed. It's not such a bad idea.

I agree. Steel set screws wallowing out threads in aluminum or brass parts is a common problem with many older guitars.