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Topic: Red Flag" Fender 800 steel??? |
Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 9:38 am |
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| I have found a Fender 800 at a shop in Florida. The guy wants $695 or I can probably get it for a 66 Showman and 72 Bassman heads I have.... I am a little shaky about this.. The store knows NOTHING about this guitar, NOTHING about ANY pedal steel guitars at all.. The guy said a cable was "hanging down" and he attached it "somewhere"... Yikes!... Also a volume or tone pot/knob had been removed and there was just a "hole there... GULP!... Every old Fender I have inquired about has had parts missing,is of questionable playability etc... I want one but I'm getting REAL gunshy here!. I think I may want to find one that I can look at and actually play and not get an "internet Special" or an ebay "Russian Roulette" deluxe model!.. would you guys take a chance on this one??. I would have to sell some stuff or give up two GREAT amps to get this thing,and if its a MUTT I'm stuck with an unworkable monstosity!... I'm beginning to think the search for a s-10 Fender is a dead end.. too many "junkers".. I see alot of 400 models[8 string] in better cond,and cheaper.. that may be the way to go.. I am just looking for that cool Fender tone to fool around with.. this would NOT be my main squeeze. Help me out here guys! your thoughts are of great value to me... always! bob [This message was edited by Bob Carlucci on 14 February 2004 at 09:39 AM.] [This message was edited by Bob Carlucci on 14 February 2004 at 10:30 AM.] |
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Bobby Boggs
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 9:45 am
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| Bob I should be trading for one Monday.I want know the conditon and playabiliy till I sit down to it.It's suppoesed to be really nice.But what is nice to some folks is just average to me.I'll know more Monday nite..........bb |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 9:46 am
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| Your eyes are way bigger than your heart. Or is it the other way around? Patience. Sounds like a hurting guitar that could be worth a shot at a much lower price. Those two amps should buy you a player, not a mystery fixer-upper. Too many dealers, ebay or not, are ignorant about their wares---or---play ignorant. They later say "I told you I don't know anything about this stuff"---ergo, not responsible. Big Red Flag indeed. |
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 9:53 am
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| JON... amen brother!... I am going to post on buy and sell .. A member here offered me a supposed mint 400 at a REAL good price..I tuned it down because I wanted an 800... I think I'll try and find him again.. I don't remember his name! bob |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 10:14 am
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A word of friendly advice to all who are comtemplating the purchase of Fender PSG's. If at all possible opt for an 800 versus a 400; and a 2000 versus a 1000. The following is why:
1. The 400's and 1000's have a fixed bridge that the changer pulls the strings over. This is definitely a minus. It is a real string breaker. NO way can you hardly even get an .011 up to pitch without breaking it. The 800's and 2000's use the Sho-bud "type" moving bridge changer. This is a real plus.
2. 10 strings versus 8 is just too much of a plus not to keep on searching.
carl[This message was edited by C Dixon on 14 February 2004 at 10:15 AM.] |
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 10:22 am
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| Carl.. Even the later 60's early 70's 400's??? I thought they had a movable changer??.. I know the early 60's 400/1000 series were fixed bridge..... oh man! I'm really disgusted now..... bob |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 10:31 am
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Bob C., you are correct. But so is Carl. 
The later model 400/1000 guitars had the same type changer as the 800/2000's. If my memory serves me, these later model guitars had a 23.5" scale, and could handle an E9 tuning. The earlier 400/1000 guitars had a 24.5" scale over two fixed bridges, so you pretty much have to use a D9 tuning, or else a Bud Isaacs-style E9 without the G# or chromatic strings.
The later guitars also had roller nuts up at the peghead.
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Gene Jones
From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 11:32 am
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[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 14 February 2004 at 11:36 AM.] |
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HowardR
From:
N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 11:59 am
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| Gene, you took the words right out of my mouth! I couldn't have said it better.. |
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 12:19 pm
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| Herb.. thanks.. that clarifies a lot for me... I guess I will keep up the search for a later model sunburst guitar. .. By the way guys,what is the significance of *? .. Does this mean I am being an insufferable idiot or something?.. no offense taken, just wondering. bob |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 12:43 pm
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No, you're thinking of when someone calls you a "Howard".
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*sorry HR, pal, take a shot at me. |
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Gene Jones
From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Michael Lee Allen
From:
Portage Park / Irving Park, Chicago, Illinois
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Posted 14 Feb 2004 3:35 pm
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REMOVED
Last edited by Michael Lee Allen on 26 Feb 2011 12:31 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 15 Feb 2004 1:47 pm
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| I's too much money for that particular guitar. At least with what was described to you. Carl is right, you're better off with an 800, or a 2000 because of the movable bridge. But have patience, You'll find a nice one ..intact..if you keep your eyes open. Don't discount Ebay. Just ask the buyer questions and check the reliablity of the seller using the Ebay tools. Buying used is always more chancy. |
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KENNY KRUPNICK
From:
Columbus, Ohio
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Posted 15 Feb 2004 10:13 pm
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| Bob, what's the story on your 1966 Fender Showman head? Is it for sale? Reverb? Thanks. |
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Carl West
From:
La Habra, CA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 16 Feb 2004 7:44 am
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I have to agree with Gene in having the chance to use several Fender PSG's When I worked with Wynn Stewart(aprox 10 Yrs.)I went from a 400 to a 1000 and finally to a 2000.
Since Mooney did all Stewarts recording sessions the sound was easier to come close to than on any other PSG working live dates. The sound did penetrate any room and using the Twin'reverb was just an added luxury.
Still have mine in great condition with 9 pedals and 4 knees although I never play it anymore. It's a keeper for sure.
Carl West
Emmons LaGrande lll
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Tim Whitlock
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 16 Feb 2004 10:25 am
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| No doubt this dealer would love to have those heads for a junky specimen of the 800. Hold out for one in good shape. You should have no trouble selling those heads for close to enough to get a decent 800. I'm sure you can get one for $800 - $1000, if you are patient, and you might even find a 2000 for that price if you get lucky. |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 16 Feb 2004 11:25 am
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Dear friend Herb, I am confused.
Can someone say for sure that ANY factory 400 or 1000 had the moving bridge type of changer? I would like to know because I have always thought that even though they changed to the sunburst finish and used cast pedals, the 400's and 1000's still had fixed bridges. Albeit the later ones had roller bridges, but NOT a moving bridge.
Am I mistaken? If so, did they also have double raise and double lower capability as well; like the 800 and 2000's?
carl[This message was edited by C Dixon on 16 February 2004 at 11:29 AM.] |
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 16 Feb 2004 4:14 pm
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| Kenny K.. It lookslike I will have to hang on to the Showman for awhile..bob |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 16 Feb 2004 4:56 pm
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Carl my man,
You sent me to my collection of Fender catalogs and in the 1966 edition I clearly see a close-up of an 8-string changer that is the newer cam-type. However, the changer still remained single-raise/lower.
The 800 and 2000 had the double-raise/lower feature.
Both guitars could change a string tone 1 1/2 steps. The scale length on both guitars was 23 inches.
Fender allowed as how "the new Fender 10-string pedal steel guitars enable the musician to achieve tunings and effects not possible with 8-string models."
There's also a neat photo of Carl West sitting behind his 2000.
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