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I get calls wanting info on various Steels etc. I am not quite sure when the last Push -Pull Emmons was made. - anyone know the year,color Serial # etc,???? Ed Naylor Steel Guitar works.

Ed
I recall seeing about a 1/2 dozen "25th Anniversary" guitars at the ISGC 1989. I'd say those were the last PP's. I think production of PP's, which I think were a special order by the early 80's, stopped around 85 or so. Just a semi-educated guesstimate. Seymour would know for sure, or Ronnie Jr.

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Herb,

Are those 'Anniversary' guitars the ones that Jimmie Crawford assembled? I could be wrong, but I heard something along those lines.

RR

I know this has been discussed before on other threads, but I really think Ron Lashley Jr. should consider bringing back the Emmons P/P as a special order guitar. There seems to be alot of us out there who like P/P's and would seriously consider ordering a new one. I fully believe theres a market out there for the Emmons Company (and only Emmons) to do this. I relize it would be a big investment for Emmons Guitar Co to re-tool their shop for a project like this. However, if customers really wanted a new P/P bad enough, they could be priced higher than the LeGrande's to compensate for the difference. I for one would love to see these great sounding Guitars back as a custom production item. Nick <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Nick Reed on 22 November 2003 at 09:17 PM.]</p></FONT>

No Roger R., Jimmy had nothing to do with the last Annaversary guitars. Everyone of them were made because of my high pressure insistance to Ron Lashly to NOT quit building the P-P guitars.
In 1988 Ron Sr. informed me that there would be no more P-P guitars made. I kept ordering them and dangled the money in front of him and kept saying that I wouldn't care to stock the Emmons guitars anymore if he didn't build the P-P modles. Finally he said to me, that he had enough parts to build six more P-P steel guitars and he'd let me sell them all if I'd order LeGrandes from that time on with no argument. I aggreed to the deal. He sent all of them to me except one that went to the west coast. Five were doubles, and one was a single neck. The serial numbers were all over the place because the last end plates had been sitting around for a long time and weren't in consecutive order, or even close. Most were wood bodies, one was mica.
I think Ed Naylor was around my store during this period, may possibly remember some of this and a couple of years later, bought my store and this put me into the Nashville recording business on music row, big time. Ed was very helpful in several big ventures I did, including the buying of all the Sho-Bud parts in Dec., Jan.,1984-5. Do I still owe you some back salery Ed? I do remember trading you a Fender 2000 for a new, clean handkerchef one night after your loading a truck with Sho-Bud parts!

bobbeseymour

I can't see the logic in them retooling their setup to accomodate the small number of push pulls they'd ever have requests for.
After all, they're all over the place; if you want a new p/p, buy an old one that sounds good, and send it to Mike Cass. Then you'll have a new p/p.
Just mho.
-John

Yes, as Bobbe said, most of them that I recall were woodbodies. I do remember a couple black mica guitars, but one woodbody was a gorgeous deep blue/green flame maple, with an airbrushed Emmons logo instead of a plaque and airbrushing on the front apron. Very sharp guitar.

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Thanks, Bobbe - I stand corrected. That's an interesting story....

RR

The last push-pulls were built in 1989 by me. The reason they were built is because during Ron Sr. divorce settlement he found 5 sets of endplates in his house. The rest of the parts we found laying around the shop. No other reason was behind it but the above mentioned.
Jack

One more thing, the colors were 4 black and 1 rosewood.

Jack... could one of the black ones have been 1340D with unusual Knee Levers and 5 position George L's.

(as in this link)
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~doveandhawk/1340d.html

Baz
www.waikiki-islanders.com

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<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by basilh on 02 December 2003 at 11:46 AM.]</p></FONT>

They all had stock Emmons single coil pickups, stock knee levers. They also had an engraved plaque that stated they were 25th anniversary guitars.

Thanks for your concise reply Jack....I think there is one of the Anniversary models in Westport Co Mayo in Ireland.The owner is a Joe Halrahan.
Baz<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by basilh on 04 December 2003 at 11:36 AM.]</p></FONT>

might as well put my two cents worth in on this...i worked at emmons from 81 to may of 85, ron put me to building legrands in august of 82, the first "production" legrand was #013L..i built legrands and a few p/p's through that year..as there were other guy building p/p's, doug palmer and tony was there on somewhat a part time basis. in jan 83 i built a p/p for myself as parts were becoming scarce by that time for different reasons...my guitar is a rosewood 9&10 no 6722D, which i have today. there are D-10's with higher numbers than mine as i held back my rsm body for about a year before i built it. by that time E9th changers were not available. i had to have dexco dig up raise fingers for it, necks were not available so it has legrande necks, and old style grover keys that we had to alter on the mill so they would fit the heads, kluson were no longer available by that time. there were S-10 p/p's for sometime after this till all the short changers was used up..(S-10's use c6th changers) larry jenkins has a white 10&10 p/p #6701D that i built for barbara mandrell, they used it for a few months and traded it back to ron, it stayed at emmons for nearly 20 yrs till larry bought it from ron jr. last year..it was one of the last p/p's. as my pal jack strayhone said the divorce settlement yeilded some end plates and the five 25th year guitars were built.. my guitar is one of the last if not the last built till the five were built in 89, hope this might answer a few question about p/p's.....BA

Bryan Adams wrtoe:

<SMALL>by that time E9th changers were not available. </SMALL>

What is an E9 changer?

the E9th changer fingers are 1/4" longer than the C6th changers due to the 1/4" step in the necks on a D10 P/P the S10's used a C6th changer....thats the difference, the longer (E9th)changers were used on the ST10 guitars as they were built on D10 bodys..when the legrands started production in 82 no p/p parts were built by dexco as ron planed to end p/p production as soon as parts were used up...E9th changers were used up first. later production of the S10's was halted due to lack of parts. thus the end of the best steel guitar ever built in my opinion....i still do restorations and work on p/p's as i still have many original parts, i own 4 p/p's and would like more if i could afford them, they are without doubt the best sounding guitar on the planet, and can be made to play really good with the proper adjustment, they are a few good p/p mechanics out there that can do these wonderful old guitars the proper care they need and deserve.. buddy emmons and ronald lashley don't really know what a monster they created...they are both my heros for what they gave us back in 1964...BA <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Bryan Adams on 07 December 2003 at 11:43 AM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Bryan Adams on 07 December 2003 at 01:48 PM.]</p></FONT>

Ed,
check your e-mail

B.A.'s right. I remember hanging out down there in the early '80's alot with B.A. and Miss Margie and seeing the goings on and B.A. speaks the truth.
One thing though B.A., I guess when I get my parts together, my wine laquer D-10 will be the last [new] Emmons original built won't it? I also remember the Mandrell guitar in it's birthing stages. And the wood body LeGrande you built for Buddy Emmons. Among others. Those were cool times for me.

Mike

BA and Mike are right I live 25 miles from Emmons, and was there before the begining. I feel lucky for having BA to build all my steels. Thanks again BA.

I have one of the black one that Jack mentioned (above) Jack himself built this one
I have never had it in a club it is in my music room in the case in mint condition.I had them to give me the ingraved plates that says it is one of the six but not to put it on the guitar.Jack do you remember this one.

Dan, good to hear from you, and yes I remember the guitar very well. I remember mailing the plaque, in fact I'm the one who had the plaques made and picked them up at the trophy shop. I'm glad you still have the guitar and you are keeping it safe. Another guy who purchased one of the guitars in St. Louis is a guy named John Hiland from California. Does anyone out there know him? He was an absolute great person and I would love to contact him.

Dan, by the way, as I sit hear I even remember the sound of your voice. Very distictive, in a good way. We may have even met a time or two. I remember all of the great customers I had back then. Each in their on special way. They were great years.