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Topic: Harmonized Scales |
Justin Emmert
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 9:54 am |
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I'm currently working through Newmans "Just Play The Melody" and it is just great. However, I am just a bit confused when it comes to transposing what I have learned to other keys.
As an example, here is a a harmonized scale in C using 5th and 8th strings. One simple route could be:
3A, 4AF, 6AF, 8A, 10A, 13, 15, 15A
(In writing the above, I'm trying to just write a simple 8 note scale beginning and ending in C.)
Where I am confused is transposing this pattern to a key that begins from an open position, such as G beginning at the 3rd fret. How would you go from G (3rd fret) to G (15th fret) using A+F combos?
My guess would be this:
3, 3A, 4AF, 6AF, 8A, 10A, 13, 15 |
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Dick Sexton
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Greenville, Ohio
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 11:03 am Re: Harmonized Scales
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| Justin Emmert wrote: |
As an example, here is a a harmonized scale in C using 5th and 8th strings. One simple route could be:
3A, 4AF, 6AF, 8A, 10A, 13, 15, 15A
(In writing the above, I'm trying to just write a simple 8 note scale beginning and ending in C.)
Where I am confused is transposing this pattern to a key that begins from an open position, such as G beginning at the 3rd fret. How would you go from G (3rd fret) to G (15th fret) using A+F combos?
My guess would be this:
3, 3A, 4AF, 6AF, 8A, 10A, 13, 15 |
Close, but 4AF isn't in the G scale. That should be 5A. For the full 3-note harmony scale you would lower the 6th string to G.
3A, 5A(-G), 6AF, 8A, 10A, 11AF, 13AF, 15A.
The AF positions are the I IV V major chords (G C D). The A positions are the vi ii iii minor chords (Em Am Bm).
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Justin Emmert
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Greensboro, NC
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 11:39 am Re: Harmonized Scales
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| b0b wrote: |
| Justin Emmert wrote: |
As an example, here is a a harmonized scale in C using 5th and 8th strings. One simple route could be:
3A, 4AF, 6AF, 8A, 10A, 13, 15, 15A
(In writing the above, I'm trying to just write a simple 8 note scale beginning and ending in C.)
Where I am confused is transposing this pattern to a key that begins from an open position, such as G beginning at the 3rd fret. How would you go from G (3rd fret) to G (15th fret) using A+F combos?
My guess would be this:
3, 3A, 4AF, 6AF, 8A, 10A, 13, 15 |
Close, but 4AF isn't in the G scale. That should be 5A. For the full 3-note harmony scale you would lower the 6th string to G.
3A, 5A(-G), 6AF, 8A, 10A, 11AF, 13AF, 15A.
The AF positions are the I IV V major chords (G C D). The A positions are the vi ii iii minor chords (Em Am Bm). |
Okay Bob, you're getting close to giving me the Ahh Haa moment I feel coming on.....
You said use...3A, 5A(-G), 6AF, 8A, 10A, 11AF, 13AF, 15A.
Isn't this a C Scale? 3A=C and 15A= C? |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 2:03 pm Re: Harmonized Scales
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| Justin Emmert wrote: |
Okay Bob, you're getting close to giving me the Ahh Haa moment I feel coming on.....
You said use...3A, 5A(-G), 6AF, 8A, 10A, 11AF, 13AF, 15A.
Isn't this a C Scale? 3A=C and 15A= C? |
3A is Em, the relative minor of G.
<pre>3A, 5A-G, 6AF, 8A, 10A, 11AF, 13AF, 15A
Em, F#dim, G, Am, Bm, C, D, Em </pre>
C is 3AB. You wanted the harmony scale using AF positions. AF makes the Major chords.
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Joe Huggins
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Bear River City,Utah, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 2:10 pm
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| He is talking 5 & 8 string. B pedal is irrelevant. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 2:10 pm
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Using all major chords, try this:
<pre>3, 3AB, 5AB, 6AF, 8, 10, 10AB, 11AF, 13AF, 15
G C D G C D G C D G </pre>
When you know the positions of the full triad scales, you can choose which strings of 3,4,5,6,8,10 to use for 2-part harmonies.
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Justin Emmert
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Greensboro, NC
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 4:08 pm
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| And there's the aha moment I knew was coming!! Thanks !!! If I want to go G to G using all A + F levers, have to start on the G major position for A + F at the 6th fret and end up on 18 A + F. |
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Henry Brooks
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Los Gatos, California, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 4:46 pm
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The Jeff's C scale starts on 1D, 1st fret with the D lever. The C scale 1D,1A,3A,4AF,6AF,8A,10A,8(strings 4 and 6).The chords are C, Dm. Em, F, G, Am, Bm, C. The Bm really should be Bm7b5 but works because you're only playing 2 strings. So the G scale would start at the 8th fret, 8D,8A,10A,11AF,13AF,15A,17A,15. Remember that anything above the 12th fret can also be played lower on the neck, but is a octave lower. 1AF,3A,5A,3(strings 4 and 6) D,Em,F#m,G. From this point you need to use string 4 and 6 up the neck which is a different Route as Jeff calls it. Hoped this helps.
Henry |
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Justin Emmert
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Greensboro, NC
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 6:45 pm
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| Thanks Henry, that helps a lot. |
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