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Topic: E9: what pull(s) do you use the LEAST? |
Drew Howard
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Posted 22 Jun 2003 12:16 pm |
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Assuming you use a standard Nashville E9 set-up with 3p+5l, what string pull(s) do you use the least or could do without?
thanks,
Drew Howard
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[This message was edited by Drew Howard on 22 June 2003 at 01:16 PM.] |
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 22 Jun 2003 12:23 pm
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B's lowered to Bb's.
(Or is that A#'s?) 
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Lee, from South Texas
Down On The Rio Grande
[This message was edited by Lee Baucum on 22 June 2003 at 01:23 PM.] |
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Al Marcus
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Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 22 Jun 2003 1:34 pm
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lowering of the bottom B to Bb.
But I would NOT like to give it up. And under NO circumstances would I give up any other change on 3 and 5. I'd sooner not play.
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Bill Cunningham
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Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 22 Jun 2003 3:23 pm
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The half tone raise on the first string. I am thinking of dropping it in favor of a half tone raise on string 2.
Whatcha think?
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"Gimme a steel guitar, 2 or 3 fiddles and a Texas rhythm section that can swing"..W. Nelson
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Drew Howard
From:
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Posted 22 Jun 2003 7:01 pm
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I never use the 1st string F#>G# raise, sometimes I make a F#>G raise for those Mooney licks.
Also, I never use the 2nd string D#>C# lower. I use the D#>D half-stop all the time.
Never liked the long knee-lever throws that whole tone raises/lowers need.
I think I had the 2nd string D#>E raise, but I never missed with it much. What am I missing?
Drew
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[This message was edited by Drew Howard on 22 June 2003 at 08:04 PM.] [This message was edited by Drew Howard on 22 June 2003 at 08:05 PM.] [This message was edited by Drew Howard on 23 June 2003 at 01:11 PM.] |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 23 Jun 2003 12:50 am
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s6 G# to F#
and s7 F# to F
There is an s2 D# to E above them I do use.
I am sure "E" has a reason those changes are there, but I can't find it. Plus the raise is acting funky right now. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 23 Jun 2003 3:19 am
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Rather than give them up..why not start using them ?, I mean, it's there, you're there..sounds like a party !
The Bb lever has a ton of power....
I don't use it a lot 'cause I always forget to use it..but I should use it regularly.
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 23 Jun 2003 4:04 am
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The question was - "What string pull(s) do you use the least or could do without?"
The B to Bb (A#) lever is a very useful tool; however, if I had to drop a knee-lever, that would be the one. That change can be obtained using the "B" pedal and the "F" lever.
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Down On The Rio Grande
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 23 Jun 2003 6:07 am
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I will answer even though I couldn't play a standard 10-string E9 for any period of time and do what I hear in my head. So the answer is for a U-12, but I think the principle is the same. Not everyone who has 3x5 have the same changes.
I don't have anything on my guitar that I don't use in a four set gig. I certainly have pulls I use less frequently than others -- G# to G (which, for me, is the same as A to Ab on C6); G# to F# and B to A on the 9th and 10th strings); and G# to A# on the 10th (same as A to B on C6). I remove the rods if I'm not using a given change. Makes tuning and playing less complicated. It only needs to be as complicated as it needs to be. 
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 23 June 2003 at 07:08 AM.] |
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John Cox
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Texas, USA
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Posted 23 Jun 2003 6:52 am
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I least use the B/Bb-5/10th string drop that seems to come on all 3&5 set ups,the vertical knees are a pain for me to use so I just forget its there,in fact if I could do it I'd rather slant the bar and get some flavor out of the tuning.
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Michael Johnstone
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Sylmar,Ca. USA
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Posted 23 Jun 2003 7:08 am
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| Maybe the 3rd and 7th pedals and a knee lever that raises my 6th string a whole step w/a half-stop. But even those I'll step on 20 or 30 times a night. I generally use everything I've got - a lot. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 23 Jun 2003 7:41 am
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| Probably the 1st string F#-G# raise, since that change is already available on 5,6,&8 seven frets up. |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 23 Jun 2003 7:43 am
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I removed the first string raise because I never used it. I should have learned to use it, though. There are positions where it is very useful.
I don't use the G# to G lower very often, or the D# to E raise. I could play without them both, no problem.
I use the F lever constantly. I'd have a hard time without it. Probably 20% of what I play is from an F lever position.
I'm not a professional, though. A survey like this clues you in to everyone's bad habits. Our idiosyncracies shouldn't be used as a basis for decisions about your copedent. The big guys have the most versatile changes, and they use them all!
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 Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 23 Jun 2003 8:55 am
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I use that change all the time (1st up a WT). I love the pedals down Ma7 with the half tone dissonance with the 3rd as well as the obvious (and overworked) unison stuff. Same goes for the 7th. Very useful change for me.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 23 Jun 2003 11:12 am
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Larry Bell-That is a lot of good changes youhave on your tuning. That G# to F# and B to A on the 9th and 10th string, is what I use a lot too, gives a A Maj7th bottom/.
Incidently, I have the E to F's pull on all my guitars and also the low E to C#, on my
E6 Lean and Mean it now only gives the the usual change, but the Boowah too. 2 ro 1.Also the E to F change with the G# for the 5th on top of that,in my tuning gives the Dominant 7th 2 frets down from my tonic. I use that a lot for straight tunes, but for jazz tunes I use the usual P5-6-7 configurations. Actually, I wouldn't want to eliminate any of my pulls.
But ask Jeff Newman he has shown you can play a lot of E9 with just 2 knee levers and even one.....al |
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 24 Jun 2003 11:05 am
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| If you have any pulls on your guitar that you don´t use or hardly ever, then why not just change them to something more useful for your playing style? On most all-pull guitars it´s no big deal... |
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Drew Howard
From:
48854
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Posted 24 Jun 2003 12:49 pm
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I've changed the 1st string to F#>G, which is better for quick tempo licks than the whole tone raise. I'd forgotten I had a 2nd string D#>E raise, but that went with the 1st string pull when it was F#>G#. Hmmm...
Drew
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