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Topic: Re-using P0 for what? |
Doug Hall
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Alabama, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2019 2:19 pm |
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Question is about mechanics, and optional pedals. I got an S10 thru this forum, used. It arrived with 4p / 5l, fairly standard Emmons set-up, plus P0 on the left, rodded only for dropping 5 and 10. I tried unsuccessfully to tune to get the Franklin set-up to drop 5 & 10 to A and then LKL drop 5 and 10 to Bb, with splits tuned to C (AB+LKV). One example, it'd enable string 10 pitch as follows: AB (C#), AB+LKV (C), open (B), LKV (Bb) and P0 (A). After working with it for a while, plus getting some outside advice, it seems it's not possible to have both a P0 dropping Bs a whole, having LKV drop Bs a half, and split-tuning for an accurate C note. (Your thoughts?) After reaching that conclusion, I wondered why in the world, then, was the guitar set up that way. Could it be to use EITHER the P0 OR the LKV, but not both? Right now, I've cranked the two P0 rods back out, but don't like the idea of having hardware on the guitar that doesn't do anything. So (more input appreciated), what would be a smart configuration for the unused P0? Plus, any other constructive thoughts appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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mtulbert
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Posted 24 Apr 2019 3:10 am
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Doug,
It is possible to do it but would require some more hardware to make it happen.
On my guitar the the 5th string drop to A is done in the typical fashion of tuning at the changer to get the drop. To enable the B to Bb you need to install another rod to enable that change and split it with your B pedal. The reason you can not do it at the changer is that with the split you stop the amount of travel you have on the changer and it will not go far enough to hit the A string.
Sounds a little confusing I know but it can be done.
PM if you want to talk about it.
PS after re reading your post it may be that you have the split set up with another pull rod.
Mark
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Danny Letz
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Old Glory,Texas, USA 79540
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Posted 24 Apr 2019 4:21 am
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| If you have a Franklin pedal, you will need to do any splits that are on the same string as a Franklin pull with the double rod method. If you set a lower with a split screw, that’s it & it ain’t gonna lower any farther. |
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 24 Apr 2019 5:53 am
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I recently added a P0 and put the Change that raises strings 1 and 2 to be in unison with strings 3 and 4, and also drops string 6 from G# to F#.
What is this change called? Is it also a Franklin Change? |
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John McClung
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Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2019 7:34 am
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I recently added a P0 and put the Change that raises strings 1 and 2 to be in unison with strings 3 and 4, and also drops string 6 from G# to F#.
What is this change called? Is it also a Franklin Change? |
I call it the Paul Franklin knee lever changes, fwiw. Not sure zero pedal is the most useful spot for it, though. How's that working out for you, Pete?
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2019 2:01 pm
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| John McClung wrote: |
| Pete Burak wrote: |
I recently added a P0 and put the Change that raises strings 1 and 2 to be in unison with strings 3 and 4, and also drops string 6 from G# to F#.
What is this change called? Is it also a Franklin Change? |
I call it the Paul Franklin knee lever changes, fwiw. Not sure zero pedal is the most useful spot for it, though. How's that working out for you, Pete? |
I was demonstrating some of the licks I have found using these changes to another local player who has it on a lever, and he said he didn't think he could make the changes as fast, on a lever. The G# to F# lower is super twangy, like the AB-squeeze of the Open Position.
Because my string order is different, I raise strings 1-D# and 3-F#, to be in unison with 2-G# and 4-E.
There is some great stuff in there, too!
Start with P0 down on the two P0 high notes, then release and descend with A pedal to E lower on 4-5, then on/off AB on 5-6, keep on going down to string 8, then to next chord, etc. Nice!
Very Fun having a new PO! But I could also see it on LKR maybe.  |
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2019 9:01 am
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Since you have two rods for P0, some Ideas:
Lower string-6 G# to F# on P0 (great for open position Twang). Only need one rod.
Lower the G#'s to G, on strings 3 and 6 (great for making Open position chords into minor chords, and other single note stuff).
Raise strings 1 and 2, to be in unision with 3 and 4. This one is new to me too, but is the upper part of the Paul Franlin Lever. |
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