A440

Tony Palmer · Post by **Tony Palmer** » 25 May 2003 11:21 am

I understand this to be the tuning note for all instruments.
Is this the A below middle C on the piano?
Which A would it be on the steel....open 6th string with B pedal?
If so, what I'm really getting at is...where do the other typical band instruments fall in the register (using a piano keyboard) compared to a steel?
Where would the same A440 be on a six string or a fiddle?
Are some instruments in the exact same range as a steel?

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 25 May 2003 11:57 am

A440 is (probably) the highest open string on your E9 neck.
Middle C is about 261.6 Hz

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 25 May 2003 3:11 pm

Earnest beg pardon, but how can this be.

If A 440 is A below middle C, how can middle C be half the frequency of a note below it?
261.6 hz? Isn't that more likely C below A 440?

Also on my E9 F# is the highest open string...
I have wondered the exact frequence of steel notes are also, but C6 string 4s A, seems a much more likely candidate.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 25 May 2003 4:07 pm

The A above middle C is the reference note that is tuned to 440 Hz. This page might help clear things up.

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Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 27 May 2003 7:27 am

Great chart, b0b

David,
Most E9 necks have G# as string #3, usually employing a .010" or .011" string. This G# is pulled to A by the 'B' pedal on E9. THAT note is A440. It is ABOVE middle C.

On C6, it is the 4th string AT THE TWELFTH FRET.

So, the answer to Tony's question is the THIRD string with the B pedal.

FWIW

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Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 27 May 2003 7:35 am

I think there's a song in here...

Chorus:
I don't know you from Adam,
But if you're gonna play the jukebox,
Please don't play, A-Four-Forty.

LeRoy Sawyer · Post by **LeRoy Sawyer** » 27 May 2003 7:42 am

Pete,
Are you saying all these years that Buck had it all wrong? It is well that on the 11th hour we find out the truth.
Roy[This message was edited by LeRoy Sawyer on 27 May 2003 at 08:43 AM.]

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 27 May 2003 9:55 am

Bob that is a great page thank you for that link.It is a bit confusing with the bells vs piano pitchs. Small print of course.

Must have been a bit alseep, I had some livestock problems...
Yes F# is string 1, but the highest sounding NOTE is G# to A string 3. So w/pB that's A440, eh.

So f12 is 880hz,
and 1760hz is John Hughy country,
and the highest reasonable effect note is likely; A 3520hz,
above that it damps out over the pick up.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 27 May 2003 at 11:27 AM.]

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 27 May 2003 11:02 am

If you buy an A440 tuning fork it will be the exact note you get when playing the 3rd string G# raised to A........... JH

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Tony Palmer · Post by **Tony Palmer** » 28 May 2003 3:07 am

At the risk of getting too boring, what string/fret would that same note (3rd string, B pedal) be on a six string?
And, to conclude, how does the range of the six string compare to an E9 steel?

Ron Randall · Post by **Ron Randall** » 28 May 2003 7:33 am

I assume you are talkin' 6 string geetar, EADGBE (strings 654321)

A 440 is on the 1st string, 5th fret.
Open E 6th string is 80 +/- Hz. Open E on 1st string is 320 +/- Hz.

Open E on Bass guitar (or bass fiddle) is 40 +/- Hz

Hope this helps.
Ron

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 28 May 2003 7:51 am

So on a 10-string E9 the 4th string is E320, corresponding to the 1st string of a regular guitar. And the 8th string on E9 is E 160, corresponding to the 4th string 2nd fret on regular guitar.

Post by **b0b** » 28 May 2003 8:24 am

No, E is 3/4 of A. That's 330 Hz, not 320. In equal temperment, it's 329.6.

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 28 May 2003 10:40 am

Tony,
The 1st string on E9 is an F# same as the 1st guitar string at the 2nd fret.

The 2nd string D# is the same as the 2nd guitar string at the 4th fret.

The 3rd string G# is the same as the 1st guitar string at the 4th fret.

the 4th string E is the same as the 1st guitar string open.

the 5th string B is the same as the 2nd guitar string open.

the 6th string G# is the same as the 3rd guitar string at the 1st fret.

The 7th string F# is the same as the 4th guitar string at the 4th fret.

the 8th string E is the same as the 4th guitar string at the 2nd fret.

the 9th string D is the same as the 4th guitar string open.

the 10th string B is the same as the 5th guitar string at the 2nd fret.

If you have an extended E9th, the 11th string G# is the same as the 6th guitar string at the 4th fret.

The 12th string E is the same as the 6th string on the guitar....Have a good 'un..JH

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Ron Randall · Post by **Ron Randall** » 28 May 2003 4:29 pm

Sorry about that. I was using approximate numbers for guitar and bass.

b0b is right about E = 3/4 of A. 330Hz

Apologies

Ron