C6 : Ab or Bb; most important?

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

I have 1 LKL on C6 right now it's an A4 1/2 lower. But I see a few Tab things requesting the other way. Comments

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 28 April 2003 at 10:17 AM.]

Bob Tuttle · From: Republic, MO 65738

Probably the two most used knee levers on C6 would be the third string C to B lower and the fourth string A to Bb raise, in that order.

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

Bob is correct.

The following is usually the way players have them.

Just two knee levers:

RKR lowers 3 a half a tone.

RKL raises 4 a half a tone.

Note: more and more players are reversing these knee levers.

With 4 knee levers:

RKR raises 3 and 7 a half a tone.

RKL lowers 3 a half a tone.

LKR raises 4 a half a tone.

LKL lowers 4 a half a tone.

Note: some players include the 8th string (octave) change with LKR and LKL.

carl

Larry Bell · From: Englewood, Florida

A to Bb, hands down

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David Mason · From: Cambridge, MD, USA

I switched my 4th pedal from A->B to A->Bb, because I didn't seem to need the first change for anything much. Question: does the A->Bb belong on a knee lever because it is used in combination with certain other pedals?

Buck Dilly · From: Branchville, NJ, USA * R.I.P.

Get more kneelevers; you will not regret it.

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

I'd nominate lowering the 3rd as the most important, with raising it to C# a close second (with 'D' on the top string, of course). After that, I'd say raising the 4th is next, but I find I use the 4th string 'lower' (A to Ab - my RKL) the least of all.

I'm enjoying the 'old' 4th pedal ('A's to 'B') more and more - I took it off once in favour of raising 6 and 10, but it's back to stay now!

RR

Don McClellan · From: California/Thailand

Yes, I think it should be on a knee if possible but I'd just like to add that both of those changes are important so do what ever you must to get them both.

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

At the moment I have
RKR raises 3 and 7 a half a tone.

RKL lowers 3 a half a tone.

LKL lowers 4 a half a tone.

I knew I needed LKR raises 4 a half a tone.
But was worried I would find hidden import costs, so I decided to wait till I got the Bud here.
There was a RKL2 on E9 and I had it moved to LKL on C6.
I am thinking I should switch it shortly to raise not lower, and switch back when I get lever 7 LKR.

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

I believe raising 4 from A to Bb should be on a knee lever; because it is used with pedal 5 or 6; or both. A lot in my case. The four knee levers I listed makes a well rounded (IMO) C6 setup. Another change I like is to raise 6 a half a tone and lower 2 a half a tone. Some call this the reverse pedal 6 change.

Yet still another change which is starting to come into vogue is lowering 5 a whole tone. I like this change on a knee lever so it can be used with pedal 6 to give that often needed middle root note.

Another great resolve is to pick strings 3, 5 and 8; then engage pedal 5; and then lower the 5th string another half tone with the knee lever, and let off pedal 5. Nice change.

carl

carl

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

I use the A to Bb lever a lot more than I use A to Ab. I wouldn't want to have to move my foot to get it.

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David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

I am considering adding a C6 LKV also.

Erv Niehaus · From: Litchfield, MN, USA

Herby Wallace has a change where he lowers the 5th string from a G to an F and raises the 10th string from C to D. I've put this on a vertical lever to try it out. I have the other 4 knee levers set up very similiar to the way Carl recommended. I have the left knee levers reversed and have included the octave changes on the 8th string.
Erv

[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 23 April 2003 at 07:35 AM.]

Al Marcus · From: Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)

Carl is right on as usual! All those pulls are important IMO, and should be on Knee levers to go with p5 and p6 .

And Carl's 5 string G(fifth) going down a whole tone to F gives a Sub-Dominant F major 7th .And with P6 F7.

To go a little further,along with that pull , I also lower the 6th string E (third) a whole tone to D.both pulls together gives a Sub-Dominant full F6.

Also the E to D lower, gives the 7th to the P5 D7th chord. Several of the Biggies use one or both of these pulls. Reece has used them as far back as I can remember in the 60's. He was way ahead of his time....al

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

My local professor, Stephane, came by today. With his assistance I just dropped the Ab in favor of the Bb. Now THAT's a really usefull change! It just opened up so many possibilities. The Ab never found a home, but this Bb has several right off the bat.
Thanks to all for the advice here.

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