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Amp Comparison

Posted: 25 Oct 2014 5:16 am
by Gary Holt
In the past few months there have been several posts on the forum about the Quilter Steelaire, the Milkman Half and Half and the Telonics TCA-500. I'm sure each one of these amps are great and that each have their own great qualities. However, if you were given an opportunity to choose one of these amps, without any cost to you, which one would you pick. :)

Posted: 25 Oct 2014 5:28 am
by Roger Francis
My first pick would be the milk man= tubes!!

Posted: 25 Oct 2014 6:00 am
by Greg Cutshaw
The Steelaire Pro with the deeper cabinet. At least one of the reviews on the Quilter site mentioned that the Pro cabinet had a little more bass. Now IF the Pro was available for $1399 I would buy it! I've have better luck and heard better sounds at higher volumes with transistor amps than tube or hybrid ones. This includes the Webb 6-14-E, Nash 400, Steel King and the Walker Stereo Steel.

Posted: 25 Oct 2014 3:12 pm
by Norman Evans

Posted: 25 Oct 2014 4:47 pm
by Greg Cutshaw
That's the Combo model not the Pro model!


http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i- ... MgodrHUApQ


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Posted: 25 Oct 2014 6:36 pm
by Daniel Policarpo
I'd really like to try the Quilter Steelaire Pro.

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 12:42 am
by Mike Perlowin
Daniel Policarpo wrote:I'd really like to try the Quilter Steelaire Pro.
I did. I also tried out as Roland cube 80GX. I decided to get the Quilter, despite the huge difference in price. I'm going to sell some of my other gear to help pay for it.

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 4:52 am
by Greg Cutshaw
Can you also sell some of your gear to help ME pay for it?

Maybe we can arrange a group buy like they do on the electronics forums......

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 4:53 am
by Greg Cutshaw
Mike did you compare the combo versus the Pro Steelaire?

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 5:03 am
by Mike Perlowin
Greg Cutshaw wrote:Mike did you compare the combo versus the Pro Steelaire?
Mu bad. I tried out the combo, not the pro. :oops:

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 9:07 am
by Richard Sinkler
Mike Perlowin wrote:
Greg Cutshaw wrote:Mike did you compare the combo versus the Pro Steelaire?
Mu bad. I tried out the combo, not the pro. :oops:
But, did you like the combo? That's what counts.

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 9:34 am
by Mike Perlowin
Richard, I liked it enough to decide to get one.

I loved the weight. It's supposed to weigh 35 pounds. Somebody here said it was only 32. I love my Music Man HD2312, but it weighs over 70 pounds, and I'm too old to be lugging it around anymore. I like the 22 pound ZT Clubs too, but they don't have the tone of the quilter.

It is very clean sounding, and has enough control to give you any kind of tone you want. Plus it has an effects loop so you can add delay or distortion or one of those new Electro Harmonx B9 organ simulators etc.

It has a tremolo circuit, which I feel is unnecessary. I think it would have been better to have a built in delay instead.

The only drawback (besides the hefty price,) is that it only has a single input. I'd prefer 2 of them like a Fender or Music Man.

I had planned to go to the Phoenix show next January, but I'm going to get the amp instead. I'm going to sell some of my other gear to help pay for it.

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 9:41 am
by Greg Cutshaw
Thanks Mike! I see the pro and combo are both 23" x 21" with the pro being taller and the combo being wider. The combo in 9" deep and the pro is 10.5" deep. hard to believe the cabinet will have much affect on the tone.

The Qilter forums have some interesting comments on these amps:

http://www.quilterlabs.com/index.php/contact/forum/


The Combo and Pro share the same user manual:

http://quilterlabs.s3-us-west-1.amazona ... manual.pdf


A small hint as to the design's secret sauce:

http://www.quilterlabs.com/index.php/pa ... s-bench/P2


$219 for the JBL like D130 15" speaker:

http://www.quilterlabs.com/index.php/pr ... -custom-15

"Custom 15" speaker"

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 10:11 am
by George Macdonald
Greg, I wonder how this speaker differs from the EPS 15C made by Eminence?

Amp Comparison

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 10:29 am
by George Kimery
I would like to see the Classic Tube amp (formerly Vintage Vibe) thrown into the mix also. If you haven't seen the video testimonial of Cowboy Eddie Long playing one, you might want to check it out at www.classictubesound.com. It's all tube and sounds pretty impressive.

This is a thread that I have been meaning to start, so I am glad to see that other's are interested in a comparison, also.

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 10:35 am
by Greg Cutshaw
I posted a question in the Quilter forum asking about the tone differences between the Pro and Combo models.

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 10:45 am
by Mike Perlowin
Greg, Jim Palenscar has one of each in his shop. He is currently on vacation, but we can ask him about this when he gets back.

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 11:12 am
by Doug Beaumier
I've had my Quilter Combo for two days now and I'm really enjoying playing through it!

A lot has been said in other threads, but basically, it has a warm, tube-like sound (to my ears), a great reverb, and is very lightweight. The weight is a big selling point for me. I played (and hauled around) a Steel King for the past seven years, so this amp is a welcome change. Of course, it doesn't have the rumbling, thundering Lows of a Steel King, but it's a well balanced sound, enough lows, rich highs that are Not harsh at all. I've never tried the Pro model, but I'm guessing that the larger cabinet might provide more lows. Having said that, the Combo sounds excellent to me, and it's so easy to carry around. Loading the car for a gig is simple now! ...just my S-10, the amp, seat, and a few accessories. No outboard effects needed.

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 6:56 pm
by Daniel Policarpo
Mike Perlowin wrote:
Greg Cutshaw wrote:Mike did you compare the combo versus the Pro Steelaire?
Mu bad. I tried out the combo, not the pro. :oops:
The Pro looks pretty cool , with the removable head and larger cab. I think I could definitely "make do" with a Combo, though. :lol:

Posted: 26 Oct 2014 7:30 pm
by Tim Marcus
Consider this: If you need a new amp and you need it now, Milkman might not be the right one for you

The specs are similar enough - my Half and Half is lighter, louder, and has actual tubes but I can't get you one for months. Something about the hand wired hand built part didn't make it onto the spec sheet :D

Posted: 27 Oct 2014 4:36 am
by Greg Cutshaw
In this video you can see the Pro and Combo side by side near the end. It mentions that the Pro has a pass through channel from the effects loop patch panel to the bottom of the amp. This way you could place for example a delay pedal in the bottom of the amp, patch it in and power it from the amp and switch it in and out using the leg mounted control panel. This would all be powered from and contained inside the amp, one less thing to carry and hookup although it would not give you access to the delay controls.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b3jfcoTvPU#t=683

Posted: 27 Oct 2014 5:33 am
by Dave Bertoncini
The combo has the pass through too. I think the video has a subtitle stating that.

Posted: 27 Oct 2014 7:06 am
by Greg Cutshaw
Now we need a delay pedal with bluetooth remote controls!

Posted: 27 Oct 2014 7:34 am
by Doug Beaumier
Regarding the Quilter Combo and Pro... it looks like the only difference is the Pro has a taller cabinet, a detachable head, and a pass-through that allows you to quickly put your stomp boxes in the back of the amp. The other specs appear to be the same on both amps. The Pro is $400 more than the Combo. Portability is #1 with me at this point in my life, so I think I made the right decision getting the Combo.

Hey, do you think any of these newfangled steel amps could include a pitch corrector! ;-)

Posted: 27 Oct 2014 9:04 am
by Dave Bertoncini
Dave Bertoncini wrote:The combo has the pass through too. I think the video has a subtitle stating that.